JW.org on alert! Anonymous attacks the Watchtower
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The activist group Anonymous has threatened to extract names of sex offenders from a rumored Watch Tower Society database

Astonishing news is spreading that the activist group Anonymous is now targeting the Watch Tower Society with an attack aimed at uncovering a database of sex offenders that is said to be held electronically at central offices of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States. The database, which is rumoured to contain the names of thousands of individuals who have been accused but not convicted of sex crimes, has been alluded to in Watchtower organizational correspondence but has yet to be publicly acknowledged.

Anonymous made their threats against the Society via videos posted on the popular website YouTube. The group is known to have already attacked the Church of Scientology during “Project Chanology” in 2008, resulting for a brief period in some of the church’s websites crashing and certain documents allegedly being leaked. In the wake of the publicity surrounding the Candace Conti verdict, the group has now targeted the Watch Tower Society as part of “Operation Pedo Chat”, which is a broader operation aimed at bringing child molesters to justice.

Here is a transcript of the Anonymous video:

Hello Citizens of the world. We are Anonymous.

Dear brothers and sisters,

Now is the time to open your eyes and expose the truth!

Operation Pedo Chat has commenced with a great deal of success and enthusiasm to protect the innocent from these disgusting pedophiles that roam the internet. While this war on internet Pedophilia has only just begun, more cries for help has gained the attention of Anonymous. A cult under the umbrella of Jehovah’s Witnesses has 23,000 plus pedophiles names and their offenses on this list within Watchtower Head quarters which is not available to the public. The Watchtower headquarters is located at 100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, New York, 12563. Jehovah’s Witnesses official website is www.watchtower.org When a Jehovah’s Witness is faced with being victim to a pedophile, the accusing parents and the child are told to go to the elders first, not the police, and then let the elders make the decision.

When they bring their child to the elders to explain, the elders hear the story and then bring in the pedophile. If the pedophile denies the charges, they leave it up to “Jehovah” to bring it out and go no further, unless there are witnesses.

Anonymous calls on the 99% to infiltrate this group and uncover any data pertaining to these cultish pedophilia crimes and expose this cult for who and what it is. Anonymous must get this pedophile list and submit it to the following:

The Pirate Bay, Wikileaks, and www.silentlambs.org

Anonymous will expose the vile pedophiles and free the silent lambs.

We are anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Expect us.

So far, there has been no official reaction to the threats of Anonymous on the Society’s official media website. However, given the group’s track record, there must surely be some concern behind closed doors as to the potential ramifications if any confidential information were to be leaked.

Does the Society hold a secret list of pedophiles?

As has been previously mentioned, the Watch Tower Society does not acknowledge in its publications that it keeps any records on those accused of pedophilia or related crimes. However, there IS documented evidence to suggest that records are kept of those found guilty of child molestation by a body of elders. This came to light recently during the Candace Conti verdict, when certain private correspondence was published.

Consider the following Watchtower letter to Fremont North congregation, dated June 19, 1998, in which the Fremont elders were reminded to send in specific details on Jonathan Kendrick in compliance with a previous letter to all bodies of elders.

You will note that another letter is alluded to in the above letter – namely a Society letter dated March 14, 1997, to all bodies of elders. A copy of one of the pages of this letter, which requests the information, is reproduced below:

If you would like to download the March 14, 1997 letter in its entirety, you can do so below:

This March 14, 1997 letter served the purpose of requesting all congregations to send in details of any brothers either currently or previously serving in appointed positions within a congregation who had been found guilty by a body of elders of child molestation. The Fremont elders had evidently overlooked the request to do this in the case of Kendrick, and so sent the following belated response, dated August 31, 1998. Note the numbered responses to the questions posed in the March 14, 1997 letter.

As evidenced by the above letters, there were 12 questions that ALL bodies of elders were required to answer in relation to those found guilty of child abuse. The Fremont elders, in this case, answered the majority of those questions regarding Jonathan Kendrick – but it was incumbent on elders in ALL congregations to answer the same questions regarding similar offenders known locally. These questions were as follows:

  1. How long ago did he commit the sin?
  2. What was his age at the time?*
  3. What was the age of his victim(s)?
  4. Was it a one-time occurrence or a practice?
  5. If it was a practice, to what extent?*
  6. How is he viewed in the community and by the authorities?
  7. Has he lived down any notoriety in the community?
  8. Are members of the congregation aware of what took place?
  9. How do they and/or his victim(s) view him?*
  10. Has he ever been disfellowshipped, reproved, counselled, or otherwise dealt with?
  11. If he has moved to another congregation, please identify the congregation to which he has moved.
  12. Was that congregation advised of his past conduct of child molestation, and, if so, when?

* It appears that, inexplicably, certain questions were not answered by the Fremont elders in relation to Kendrick.

As mentioned, the above questions were asked of elders concerning child molesters in all congregations (specifically, molesters who had served in some appointed capacity). It would be reasonable to assume that, once received by the Society, the answers would then be compiled on a central database, either in writing or electronically. In that respect, the questions themselves may be thought of as corresponding with fields on a database.

Given the number of congregations responding to these questions, and the number of offenders whose details would need to be processed, it would take only the wildest of imaginations to assume that this database was anything other than computer-based and networked (leaving it susceptible to attack by Anonymous), rather than kept in a handwritten book or ledger.

Many will no doubt raise questions as to why a database of child offenders should be held by the Society if it is not automatically shared with the authorities so that these can investigate all reported cases and bring those found guilty to justice. As explained in my recent article on the Candace Conti verdict, the primary motivating influence behind the Society’s policy of confidentiality in respect of child molesters is to rigidly enforce the “two witness rule”.

The “two witness rule”, so rigidly enforced by the Society, puts untold numbers of children at risk

Put simply, the Society firmly believes that, unless a third person is on hand to witness a child being molested, the incident should be “brushed under the rug” if the perpetrator denies it. This is why the Society insists that THEY should be consulted first by elders rather than the authorities, so that they can manage any incidents and ensure that the “two witness rule” is applied and any legal entanglements kept to a minimum. It is this blatantly negligent approach that opposers of the Watch Tower Society commonly refer to when they say that the Society protects pedophiles – because this “loophole” favors the offender rather than the victim, and bypasses the authority of local law enforcement in determining whether someone is guilty or not.

What can we expect?

Anonymous would themselves acknowledge that they have courted controversy since their inception in 2003. Their methods are questionable and, many would argue, downright illegal. I would in no way wish to use the pages of this website to encourage anyone to break the law or support those who do so. However, in their stated aim to expose pedophiles and bring such monsters to justice, it is difficult not to admire the group’s motives in this particular campaign.

Whether they are fulfilling these objectives by exposing those monsters who find sanctuary on the Society’s database and in its policy of secrecy is for each one of us to decide. In turn, whether the “ends justify the means” is a matter for the authorities to determine. It is, after all, the authorities who carry the responsibility of prosecuting any child molesters who are uncovered as a result of this or any subsequent attempts to extract the database.

Regardless of our personal feelings or observations, it would appear the attack has already begun. It seems intelligence is already being gathered, and protests are being planned that will doubtless draw media attention. Many inside the organization will likely conclude that this is an attack by Satan, and the existing “persecution complex” and paranoia of such ones will be heightened. Others who are well-informed about the Society’s history and policies will see it as justice for those who have suffered at the hands of an organization that refuses to protect its most vulnerable members.

In any case, perhaps now would be a good time to remind ourselves of two pertinent scriptures:

“What, then, shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who will be against us?” – Romans 8:31 (New World Translation)

“And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.” – Acts 5:38, 39 (New World Translation)

Indeed, whatever happens in this matter will happen regardless of any intervention by any of us. My personal view is that it is best to wait and see what transpires. In doing so, we do well to remind ourselves that, if God is truly backing the Watch Tower Society, then we should be seeing an organization that is growing and flourishing in spite of any attacks by Anonymous, or similarly damaging developments.

If, on the other hand, God is NOT backing the Watch Tower Society, then this should become apparent – either through a successful Anonymous campaign, or through closer inspection of the organization on an individual basis. We do well to remain observant and inquisitive as events unfold.

Many would argue that the continued spate of branch closures and operational downsizing by the Society already sends a worrying omen that all is not well within the organization, and it is not enjoying the success it once did – either financially or otherwise. I’m sure this latest attack by a committed group of activists could not have been more poorly timed for the Governing Body, who will already be preoccupied with “putting out fires” in the wake of the Candace Conti verdict.

It goes without saying that a successful attack by Anonymous would have a crippling effect on the Society’s reputation and credibility, possibly beyond anything we can contemplate. Indeed, the very fact that Watchtower is now being targeted by a non-Witness activist group would seem to indicate that the wider public’s patience towards the organization regarding its terrible track record on handling child abuse is wearing thin.

 

 

 

 

 

[Update: since this article was written, Anonymous seems to have relented in their pursuit of Watchtower. I am led to believe that a database file WAS extracted, but it was too heavily encrypted to be deciphered without assistance from the authorities. Anonymous did produce other incriminating information related to Watchtower (in particular its shady financial practices), but this is mostly already available on Ex-JW websites. Since Anonymous has slipped back into the shadows, a new organization has come to the fore in helping to expose Watchtower. JWsurvey.org is proudly affiliated with Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses (AAWA.co) - a legally incorporated organization which aims to raise awareness of Watchtower's harmful practices through respectful and well-informed activism.]

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69 Responses to JW.org on alert! Anonymous attacks the Watchtower

  1. Naima says:

    We need to know the whole truth…but after all the cover up, . doubt it will come from the WBTS.

  2. Victor says:

    The 2/3 witness rule is scriptural but secret star chamber hearings are not. If the biblical precedent of a public trial was followed everyone would know about the offender rather or not he was convicted. True change would only come about in my opinion if ecclesiastical law was changed to allow publicity in major cases such as child abuse, rape, murder, etc.

  3. estelle says:

    Cedars, love your stuff!!!!

    I sooo want this anonymous video to be true…when i Google it tho i get nothing. Where did you get this from?

  4. ross says:

    Have u heard anything new on this topic cedars?

    • Cedars says:

      Hello ross, no I’m afraid I haven’t heard anything recently. If anything dramatic comes to light, I’ll either update this article or post a new one.

  5. emeth says:

    this is a HOAX

  6. Thomas says:

    In any case, perhaps now would be a good time to remind yourselves of two pertinent scriptures:

    “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.” – Acts 5:38, 39

  7. JBob says:

    Wonderful, throw a scripture quote without pinpointing whom it is targeting. Say what you mean, and quit hiding behind sacred text.

  8. Tom says:

    In the report question 4 “How is he viewed in the community and by the authorities” answer “police report made”
    That doesn’t sound like a coverup.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Tom
    In the report question 4 “How is he viewed in the community and by the authorities” answer “police report made”That doesn’t sound like a coverup.

  10. Anonymous says:

    lavender hello

  11. lana burgess says:

    YOU AND THE HOLIER THAN THOU JW’S BETTER BELIEVE AND I MEAN BELIEVE IT’S NOT A HOAX I SALUTE BRAVE PEOPLE WHO STAND UP TO THESE SCUMBAGS THAT KILL AND DESTROY!!!!!!!

  12. unbaptized says:

    Cedars,
    I am blown away. There is nothing stated about this subject at the meetings or literature from GB. Thank you for reminding us to be level headed and let things take their course. God is in control. With prayer and love we should do all things. Thank you for revelations of truth. I continue to choose not to be a part of JW, even tho my spouse is a dedicated JW.

  13. surprised by it says:

    I grew up around them and I grew up around other religions. i has lived part of my life away from any of the religions. I’ve seen how the world has becoming and the way people are including the government. I believed in God that Jehovah is his real name and nothing makes more sense in in any religions than JW. I am surprised and shocked to see the hatred and discrimination of the evils in the world against them with lies and hoaxes. I continues to choose to be part of JW despise how people views them. We must obey the law of the bibles and by not following the law is going against the God.

  14. me says:

    these are pure lies

  15. G says:

    If you don’t like your job quit
    If you don’t like your religion quit
    Why Bash them They serve there God by Bible standards. You want to go against Bible standard
    then go. They have high morals and you can’t keep up then leave, but remember this ,you are leaving Jehovah.They are the only ones serving Jehovah.

    • Cedars says:

      If I quit my job, my employer wouldn’t contact all my family members and tell them not to talk to me for the rest of their lives until I start working for him again. Religions are one thing – cults are another. They always make you pay for being “disloyal.”

      And my decision to leave had nothing to do with morals. Lying is also immoral and you will find if you dare to do research that Watchtower has been lying to you for decades.

      • Anonymous says:

        Just pure ignorance! If u don’t know what your talking about just shut up!cause u sound ignorant! Cult know u just as dumbfounded as ever.

  16. ciara says:

    me
    these are pure lies
    </block
    your wrong so wrong

  17. Anonymous says:

    All of u are sick in the head

  18. Ann says:

    “Anonymous” and “me”, perhaps you should educate yourself about legitimate cases involving JW’s and child abuse. There are quite a few. When you consider the claim that we have “the truth” and hold ourselves out to the public as better than any other religion, it should wake up your brain and make you start to wonder…
    Also, you would make better points if you used correct grammar so others could at least understand what you are trying to say.
    You “know” what I mean?
    I, too was dumbfound when I actually studied the characteristics of a cult and easily saw that the religion I’ve been in since birth, did indeed fit the bill.

  19. ctive JW says:

    FRIENDS????? If he went out from us. Than why are any of “YOU” wasting time on him??? My Dear Friends???? WE of all do know what is most important to be doing with our time at this late date!!!!!!
    Cedar?? I do ask you?? THIS ONLY?? Are you disfellowshipped NOW/Still????….If so Friends??? Why are any of YOU wasting time communicating with him here, JUST LEAVE HIM BE!!!! AS THE HOLY SCRIPTURES TELL “YOU” TO DO!!!

    • Cedars says:

      ctive JW – welcome to our website. I assure you that I am still a Witness and not disfellowshipped – merely inactive at this time. I would tell you the name of the congregation I am in to prove that I am genuine, but I have a feeling you might use that information against me!

  20. Active JW "and proud of it" says:

    This will be my ONLY and FINAL RESPOSE/COMMENT, to you than, you “friend” of the Devil/Serpert!!!! YOU WILL BE REVEALED!!!
    NOTHING REMAIMS HIDDEN “FROM ALL MIGHTY JEHOVAH”

    End of all further communition PERIOD………..

  21. Mary says:

    Cult??? HAHAHAHAHahahahaha. Okay, where’s the secret society list kept for the Catholics…you know, all those dirty little secrets that they get to go into a box and confess and be free of WITHOUT any authority intervention….can we see how many names of pedophiles, murders, rapists are on that one please…

  22. CAMOKO says:

    HHUUUMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!…….My dear Active(ist)JW, at “what” (whatsoever) OUR LOVE for others is shortcircuited? In fact should it be, as we “follow” Christ’s example of compasion?! I want just to remind you what Jesus Christ demands us to do:…”love your enemies, bless them that curse you (I mean YOU!! ActiveJW), …and pray (don’t wish the will of YHWHGod be done on Cedars) for them wich despitefully…PERSECUTE you… (from the KJ ver. but I plead that you read it from your own NW(orst)T Matt.6:43-44)
    Now, can you please post here a prayer for your now ENEMY, namely that “”friend” of the devil/serpent”? And express some words of compasion towards the brood of vipers who dare commend him against YOU.
    After you have prayed for him, then go read 1John5:1a;9-12. This will show you (not make you understand,ooh no no no no no. you can’t by yourself) that Cedars has come to KNOW (yada in hebrew) and to HAVE real Life (Zoe in greek)…
    As myself a “Jehovah Witness” through Christ Jesus (not thru the WTS or the DS) I, like Paul, pray that… “the God (the one who spoke to Moses thru the burning bush) of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto YOU the spirit of wisdom and REVELATION in the KNOWLEDGE (yada) of HIM…”.
    You can achieve this ONLY by reading God’s word the Bible, looking at the text AND BELIEVING Sincerely in your heart that JEHOVAH GOD is in fact TALKING to YOU personall. and be a diligent ACTIVE LISTENER to what the HOLY SPIRIT convey to your Spirit, wich is God’s candle.

  23. CAMOKO says:

    CAMOKO
    HHUUUMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!…….My dear Active(ist)JW, at “what” (whatsoever) OUR LOVE for others is shortcircuited? In fact should it be, as we “follow” Christ’s example of compasion?! I want just to remind you what Jesus Christ demands us to do:…”love your enemies, bless them that curse you (I mean YOU!! ActiveJW), …and pray (don’t wish the will of YHWHGod be done on Cedars) for them wich despitefully…PERSECUTE you… (from the KJ ver. but I plead that you read it from your own NW(orst)T Matt.6:43-44)
    Now, can you please post here a prayer for your now ENEMY, namely that “”friend” of the devil/serpent”? And express some words of compasion towards the brood of vipers who dare commend him against YOU.
    After you have prayed for him, then go read 1John5:1a;9-12. This will show you (not make you understand,ooh no no no no no. you can’t by yourself) that Cedars has come to KNOW (yada in hebrew) and to HAVE real Life (Zoe in greek)…
    As myself a “Jehovah Witness” through Christ Jesus (not thru the WTS or the DS) I, like Paul, pray that… “the God (the one who spoke to Moses thru the burning bush) of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto YOU the spirit of wisdom and REVELATION in the KNOWLEDGE (yada) of HIM…”.
    You can achieve this ONLY by reading God’s word the Bible, looking at the text AND BELIEVING Sincerely in your heart that JEHOVAH GOD is in fact TALKING to YOU PERSONALY. and be a diligent ACTIVE LISTENER to what the HOLY SPIRIT convey to your Spirit, wich is God’s candle.

  24. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Some people have issues dealing with reality and those of us who have seen deaths and violence and all the other things have no need to convince anyone else…or any need to see any more!

  25. saskia says:

    jehova is with you.never believe the humans who deny his name.a true christian or a good human person does not call himself anonymous and doesn’t make other human rigt laws than God did.they have no right to.just pray that they will eventually believe and feel the love of the true lord and his kingdom

  26. saskia says:

    I agree!and don’t be an activist if you don’t know Gods word.try to study the bible,then you learn your history and how to be a good human being.true Jhwh witnesses are good people.amen

  27. MEE!! says:

    This it’s stupid! To me, it doesn’t sound like the offense to place at the place of worship, so the “elders” have no reason to call police, or take sides, but only rather do what they did and remove that persons privileges until the finding by police has been done or guilty verdict has been reached! What if after trial he was proven innocent jumping to action would bee premature, butt ingestion such as this seems warranted. The started questions seem to be done without pointing fingers, objectively. It is up to family member to call the cops. Which the statement does not say the “elders” advise the parents not to. It makes sense to me that they are asking question to follow up with all congregations to make sure this person does not fade in at a new congregation. I’m impressed that they are reaching out and trying to keep their place of worship safe!. In a world were suing is done on a dime, I don’t blame them for keeping a copy. I read this and find no fault, the Anonymous seem like another group just starting trouble! For real. There is no documentation anywhere that says that the “elders” advised against going to the police…this is rumor, show documentation supporting your facts. Adele said it best…RUMOR HAS OUT!!

  28. joe says:

    Your full of shit!!

  29. wisdom Joseph says:

    Being one of Jehovah’s witnesses has move me to have true love for Jehovah God and to live by his principles, so i don’t have time for romours

  30. Jessica says:

    It’s a shame that the false information in this article will have the opportunity to mislead others. Why anyone would believe that victims would be told not to speak to police is beyond me.

    • Camoko says:

      To Jessica: …” why anyone would believe that a victim be told to not tell the police…”.
      My dear, I hope the same will not happen to you

      • sharon says:

        For those who were born in or raised in from under 5, it would make a difference. You revere these men, they say they are of God, and that you’ll be killed by God if you don’t listen. So don’t call the cops, they are only worldly anyway. God will take care of this…do you believe God will take care of this for you? Child nods, and time goes on. THAT’S how you get victims to NOT call the police.

  31. Goodness says:

    I am a proudly member of jws,brothers nd sisters we hav to remember jesus words on Matt 24:9_12 ‘wil be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name’.I think I like this because it shows da signs of last days,all these sayings and bad things we hav to remember its only the beginning of pangs of distress.May God Jehovah strengthen our faith brothers

    • sharon says:

      How do you explain Ps146:3 Jer17:5 Ac5:29 and all of Lu21:8? You don’t know what hatred is unless you find out the truth about the truth. Once you find it and are set free from Jesus, THEN you’re hated. THEN you understand how to be persecuted, from family and friends. When you find the truth.

  32. Jessica says:

    I found this by mistake and know who “Anonymous” is so read it. I am a JW but disfellowshipped and disassociated many years. However, I felt i should shed some light on this for you.

    I was molested by a mentally ill brother when I was a child. The elders took it very seriously and disfellowshipped him. They also talked to me and my parents. They said that if we go to the police, it is our choice. They never said that we would be in any trouble for it. They were very compassionate.
    I wanted to just forget it. I didn’t want to tell a courtroom full of people what he did. The molestation WAS NOT “covered up”, though my name was never brought up to anyone (for my sake). Anyone who has spent any time in the org knows that gossip can be a problem, just because JW’s like to talk so much :).
    They assume everyone knows. Most witnesses would make it a point to warn each other about molesters and rapists even if it did mean they would be in trouble themselves! Which is untrue as far as I know. My die hard JW mother would tell everyone if she thought they needed to know about someone. And she does EVERYTHING she is supposed to as a JW.
    The point is this; most JW’s do what is right. If a family decides they don’t want to go to the police (just like any other family anywhere) they don’t have to. If an elder or a body of elders says that they can’t go to the police, SHAME ON THEM! They won’t be elders very long. That is for sure! The whole database thing is not to hide anything, rather, it is to PROTECT! And it’s not a molester database at all. Every JW agrees to have a permanent file. If the Kingdom Hall burns dawn, there is a hard copy of ALL JW files. Even if its just names of congregation members. What if a congregation doesn’t send the records to his or her new congregation? How will they know a pervert is in their midst? That’s easy! When they are counted as a member of that hall, ALL of their records will go with them. You can’t run away from your past as a JW. It will follow you to the ends of the earth. GOOD JOB WATCHTOWER! THANKS for protecting other children from MY abuser!

    One more thing, it is the PARENTS who are responsible for their children. If they are molested outside of the KH, the brothers are limited. Why did the mother NOT call the police? Hmm… What a shameful parent!!!

  33. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Goodness April 22, 2013 at 6:35 am

    “I am a proudly member of jws,brothers nd sisters we hav to remember jesus words on Matt 24:9_12 ‘wil be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name’.I think I like this because it shows da signs of last days,all these sayings and bad things we hav to remember its only the beginning of pangs of distress.May God Jehovah strengthen our faith brothers”

    I don’t disagree that we are in the last days and it is “The time for meeting ot justice” is fast approaching but I also firmly believe there a lot of surprises in store for many people…

    Have you actually reasoned on this whole forum? as well as Jwleaks.org and JWfacts.com?

    How about the link below?

    I am not Jehovah and am in no position to make any dispositions as to is and is not and what is and isn’t but with your own sense of reasoning, the simple facts are these and among many others:

    A true Prophet of God,

    1. Is always commissioned DIRECTLY by Jehovah and is given specific instructions or message(s) which are clear and concise and always benefit his people and glorify his name and will and purposes.

    2. Never speak falsehoods, rescind or retract a proclamation or prophecy or make rules or laws that are not based in scripture and are harmful, greedy, self- serving, in violation of man’s civil laws that are not in violation of his and benefit his people and bring reproach upon his name.

    3. Never attract followers after themselves or place themselves in a position of glory or worship, “theocratic” heirarchy (and including apostolic succession) to which there is no scriptural basis or foundation and they were not appointed or commissioned by God directly.

    4. Make any other claims or condemnations, proclamations or prophecies, rules, laws to the detriment and damage of people and their lives, health and welfare in the name of God or otherwise except that which they have specific commission and authority or is cemented in scripture.

    Has any of this ever been the case with the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society? One cannot be a True Prophet and a False Prophet at the same time…it’s simply not possible, Jehovah won’t permit “A worship that is pure and undefiled” to eminate from both!

  34. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Jessica April 22, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    ” I found this by mistake and know who “Anonymous” is so read it. I am a JW but disfellowshipped and disassociated many years. However, I felt i should shed some light on this for you.

    I was molested by a mentally ill brother when I was a child”

    How long has Jessica been at the Society’s Legal Department?

  35. Jessica says:

    Oh yeah…
    About the “Two witnesses” thing…

    The police department might speak to an accused person (judicial committee).
    Then they will look for evidence (a second witness or other extenuating factor, ie: admittance of guilt, police arrest etc.)
    They get both sides. (Both are heard).
    If no sufficient evidence they can do nothing yet because of reasonable doubt. Even if a child is involved (Wait on Jehovah).

    You should hate the US justice system too. The org operates kind of the same way. Plain text means police (…) means what congregations do.

  36. Jessica says:

    Haha! You say you feel sorry for abused JW children THEN you criticise one? It sounds like you don’t care about abuse at all… just criticising the org. I’m NOT nor have I ever been, on the legal department. But I will take it as a compliment! What I went through was horrible but I blame the perverted, sick, twisted, recycled piece of toilet paper (no offense to used toilet paper) who did this to me. NOT JEHOVAH!
    Furthermore, I have seen and heard just about EVERY negative thing on the net about the Watchtower society! I read “Crisis of Conscience” cover to cover, AND other books against the Org! Yet, I STILL want to go back to the meetings. Why? Because I have read my KJV Bible and ASV Bible WITHOUT any “Watchtower propaganda” and STILL believe the same thing. Once you see that the sky is blue, you know it! Nobody and nothing will change that. It’s the same with “the truth”. I TRIED to believe in the trinity(a supposed Christian must) and became Baptist (but not baptized into it), but the Baptist minister couldn’t answer all of my questions.
    The point is that the Witnesses, while still having human imperfection, are closest to the truth of God (imo). I have encountered a few wolfish brothers, sisters, even elders! But Jehovah will deal with them in due time. I hope they figure it out before then though, so they can change their ways. I will pray for tbem.
    I went to the Memorial. It was the very first time I stepped foot in a KH in 8 years. A brother came up to me when it was over, and had a full conversation with me! 2 elders were standing 5 feet away. They just smiled and resumed their conversation! They didn’t care one bit! My JW mother will not “shun” me and other JW’s have given me encouragement at supermarkets etc. Does that sound like the evil org you describe? Shame on them! Risking their necks like that to give me encouragement! It’s day 7 without cigarettes, weed, coke, or alcohol for me. It sucks but hey, Jehovah will bless my efforts right? I tried without him and it was a colossal FAIL! You have a great day!

    • REALLY? JUST AS OTHER JW’S YOU TOO ARE JUDGING OTHERS WHEN THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY SAID NOT TO. THE BIBLE ALSO HAS GODS AND JESUS SAYING DO NOT! WHY DO THEY FOLLOW AFTER THOSE SAYING THE END IS NEAR? JESUS WARNED ABOUT THAT. WHAT ABOUT FOLLOWING EARTHLY MAN? GOD WARNED ABOUT THAT SAYING DO NOT! WHAT PART OF DO NOT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? IF YOU FOLLOW EARTHLING MAN YOU WILL BE ACCURSED! WE NO LONGER NEED A LEADER SINCE ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A BIBLE TO READ FOR THEMSELVES. DID YOU NOT GO TO SCHOOL? DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ? CAN YOU READ DIRECTIONS? WHY ARE YOU NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE GB? 1JOH4:1 1TH5:21. THEY ARE MEN AND WE WERE WARNED ABOUT THEM FROM JESUS HIMSELF! SO WHO WILL YOU OBEY GOD OR MAN? AND SPEAKING ABOUT THEIR PAST HISTORY, TRY TO GET A JOB LOAN OR AN APT WITHOUT PAST REFERENCES…BUT YOU OBEY THEM LIKE THEY WERE GOD…INFALLIBLE MEN!

    • Sassy Lassy says:

      Jessica, you are a good person and I believe you have a good and loving heart. I think Jehovah was waiting for you to be ready to come back to him, as He forgives those who WANT to do what is good and right, and that is exactly how you sound to me….ready to come back. :)

  37. Jessica says:

    It doesn’t say but what I posted above was a reply to:
    KtotheRAD “Konrad” April 22, 2013 at 2:12 pm

  38. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Jessica April 23, 2013 at 8:13 am

    “It doesn’t say but what I posted above was a reply to:
    KtotheRAD “Konrad” April 22, 2013 at 2:12 pm”

    This is direct at “Jessica” from the Society’s Legal Department who was commissioned to post spurious disinformation on Cedar’s Blog in an effort to influence Jehovah’s Witnesses and secondarily, the general public and possibly law enforcement and others who may be observing this site.

    @ Cedars – Please don’t delete anything as it’s valuable evidence.

    I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in bandying words or engaging in debate with you on this forum as I’ve had my share with your compatriot, “FH Chandler” the Child Raper and otherwise Stupid B***h on topix.com, the proclaimed Muslim on the Masturbation Video and otherwise with assorted Elders and others for nigh on 30 years. I will say that in my whole adult life time of working around and with both the Mentally Ill and Jehovah’s Witnesses who are by the way composed of an extrodinary number of Mentally Ill, some personally and some in the course of work? I have focused the bulk of that time dealing with traumatized people. Most but not all of that trauma has been as a result of sexual trauma and the vast number of that has been chilhood sexual abuse.
    In all that time I have yet to see anyone figuratively or literally use a smiley face when describing and recounting matters concerning their abuse.

    Further, the mere fact that you desribed your alleged status and relationship to Jehovah’s Witnesses is ” a tell” as was the smiley and many other things just like a liar never looks you in the eyes and keeps lookin to the left and down at his shoes.
    There are many other reasons as well that I think most reasonable people can see but want I want everyone, the whole world! to take careful notice of AGAIN is this:

    “I was molested by a mentally ill brother when I was a child”

    Do you all see? What I and others keep telling you? About the contemptuous disdain? The loathing and scapegoat mentality that the Society holds for the Mentally Ill?

    Is it any wonder that when a disabled person’s symptoms cause them to get into trouble that they are beaten? mercilously! and criminally! This speech and attitude permeates the whole organization and oozes from every crack of every Kingdom hall! Trust me it does!

    • I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. THEY ARE NOT LOVING UNLESS YOU HAVE MANY HOURS OR BIBLE STUDIES UNDER YOUR BELT. THE REASON I LEFT IN DEC WAS MY BEST FRIEND WAS DF’D IN OCT. BEFORE THE MEETING EVERYONE WAS HUGGING AND KISSING HER. DURING THE SERVICE MEETING THEY ANNOUNCED HER NAME. NO ONE AND I DO MEAN NO ONE MOVED OR SNIFFLED OR GRABBED A HANKY. I WAS HYSTERICAL, SO MUCH SO I HAD TO GO TO LADIES ROOM FOR A GOOD 15 MINUTES. WHEN I WENT BACK TO MY SEAT A SISTER I LOVE DEARLY WROTE ME A NOTE. IT SAID WE DO NOT GRIEVE THE DF’D ONES. I WAS SHOCKED. IF WE WERE SERVING THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, WHY WAS I NOT SUPPOSED TO GRIEVE THE LOSS OF MY SISTER? WHEN THE BIBLE WAS BEING WRITTEN, WHEN SOMEONE LEFT THE TRUE RELIGION, THEY WOULD SIT AMONGST THE ASHES AND TEAR THEIR CLOTHES FOR THE LOSS OF THEIR LOVED ONE. WHY WAS I BEING TOLD DIFFERENT? I FINALLY LOOKED UP THE WORD CULT, TOOK A 10 QUESTION QUIZ…IF YOU ANSWER 4 OR MORE YES, YOU’RE IN A CULT. I ANSWERED 10 OUT OF 10 YES. I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO A CULT RICH IN THE OCCULT AND SPIRITISM. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ‘NEW LIGHT’ GOD ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING THAT HAD TO BE SAID. WHO ARE WE MERE MORTALS TRYING TO SAY WHAT GOD ALREADY SAID CLEARLY. I HOPE EVERY JW GETS OUT OF BABYLON THE GREAT SO THEY WON’T SHARE IN HER SINS. THANK GOD THE WTS IS IN ONLY 239 LANDS AND CHRISTIANITY IS IN OVER 3,000. AS A MATTER OF FACT, NO OFFENSE TO THE OVER 20 MIL SUFFERERS OF BLADDER ISSUES, BUT THERE ARE MORE SUFFERERS THAN JW’S ON THE WHOLE EARTH? 8MIL. ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT IS THANK YOU JESUS FOR KEEPING THE FUNGUS FROM THE REST OF THE EARTH!

  39. :NO THEY ARE NOT! My mother molested a 15 year old 35 years ago. WE AS WELL AS HIS PARENTS were TOLD NOT TO GO TO POLICE THE WTS WOULD handle it. Well, NO ONE IN ANY OTHER CONGREGATION ON LONG ISLAND NY WAS INFORMED OF WHAT SHE DID! THEY LEFT NY FOR OHIO, CAME BACK WHEN HE WAS 18 AND MARRIED HIS MOLESTER. THEY ARE STILL MARRIED, SHE IS NOW AN UPSTANDING PIONEER OF SATANS LIES. HE IS AN ELDER IN SATAN’S HOUSE. LOOK UP PS146:3 JER17:5 AC5;29 AND MY FAVORITE LU21:8. JW’S NEVER READ THE ENTIRE VERSE UNLESS IT PROMOTES THEIR FALSE DOCTRINES. IT IS A CULT. LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ‘TRUTH’. SONG OF SOLOMON2:1 LOOK AT EVERY BIBLE THERE IS, IT SAYS THE SAME, LOOK AT THE CHANGE IN NWT. LU16:10 REV22:18-19. SHAME ON THEM FOR BRAINWASHING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE, COME TO CHRIST WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME!

  40. KtotheRAD "KonRAD" says:

    Well, people?

    If anyone has any lingering doubts about how the Watchtower Society really feels about people…it won’t be necessary to look up the court transcripts or talk to victims like me and others except for the sickening details!

    How much of a statement and treatment is it about the real victims of abuse and the Mentally Ill than to mock and take so lightly in vain their life issues for their own benefit and self- serving motives, to attempt to pull the wool over people’s eyes as they have done in the above posts and in classic, typical Watchtower fashion with using this “Jessica” person. Will they? Have they ever stopped at anything? Is death a deterrent? I can tell you personally I have witnessed deaths among Jehovah’s Witnesses (and children) due to their negligence and it is not!

    She or he has made a joke and a farce of the pain, sufferring, life and deaths of many at the hands of these brutal barbaric animals!

    Kurt “Konrad” Hennig

    (Please excuse the spelling and lack of quality in my posts of late as I don’t have acces to a spell check and they are not always as presentable as I would prefer)

    • There is NO love in the wts! I don’t care what any of you jw’s say. Once you are df’d I am NOT you are thrown to the wolves! I know this is NOT what Jesus meant when he said to love your neighbor as yourself. They are nothing more than protoplasms waiting for the next doctrine change to put them on their merry way to try and explain it. GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH I now say after being trapped for 53 years, since I was 3. PRAISE JESUS!

  41. jessica says:

    Well say what you want. I don’t care. The fucking ChoMo who molested me took anti psychotic pills and spent time in hospitals being evaluated so imo he is “mentally ill”. Does that mean I forgive him or believe he didn’t know right from wrong? Hell no! He is a sick sack of shit who is completely useless imo.
    Btw, the smiley was after my sentence about gossip and I think all Dubs have heard the gossip talk on “local needs” so it was an inside joke about gossip. Thus the smiley. Typing fast so I didn’t realise how it’d look. My bad! Now that’s out of the way maybe you can quit calling me a liar about my abuse?
    I can’t even have sex with my fiancee because I have psychological issues from my abuse. I am an addict because of my abuse. I tried killing myself years ago but failed because the serpentine belt broke before I got up the speed I wanted to in my Pontiac Grand Am GT HO. I was going 120 mph but thought I could go faster. The kh I was going to take out with me was still a few hundred yarrds awway. I wanted to know I would die!!! I wanted the org to know I blamed them. But the belt broke and I couldn’t turn so I couldn’t hit the kingdom hall. I lost all control of my car and hit a colvert instead. By then I was going too slow to kill myself. I prayed before I tried to die but I couldn’t even kill myself properly!!! Those were in the good old coke n roll days. “Oh well. Maybe I wasn’t supposed to die”, I though. I had about a teener of coke left, and it made my teeth numb, good shit! So I figured id just try and od on it. But I was soo high my hands wouldn’t quit shaking so I couldn’t keep the scale still enough to do another line off of. Basically, I couldn’t even kill myself right! I didn’t have a needle or id have shot it up. Don’t know if id be able to hold still long enough though.
    Anyways, I suggest you get your facts strait KtotheRAD “Konrad” before you call people a liar. Maybe if those elders did that girl would have gotten help sooner? I think if her dad is a pervert he is a pervert regardless of his religion. I see all kinds of people saying stupid reasons for being mad at the witnesses. At least mine is for something major! People say “they d/f me for fucking my boyfriend” boo hoo! Why did you get baptized then? I knew I would be d/f for my lifestyle. I agreed by baptism not to do certain things, however ridiculous, or to accept the “shunning”. I mean ain’t thre more to life than talking shit on a group you want no more part of? I think so. I fucked up my own life. I got to liver with it now cuz I figured out I suck at killing myself!!!

  42. jessica says:

    And if I ever meet you face to face I will let everyone know that you call me a liar about my abuse! You are a loser and should try to acomplish what I could not if you are sinking so low to call me a liar then block me as” spam” so I can’t defend myself! If im a liar, why block me? I got you though. I may just be a brainwashed ignorant dub in your opinion but I do have a gifted level IQ. So I know a little bit about these kind of things. Later loser!

  43. jessica says:

    To anyone who was baptized at like 12 or 13, I do feel bad for you. No child is mature enough at that age to even commit to a pair of sneakers, much less something like baptism. Jesus was 30 and he was PERFECT and the SON OF GOD!!! So I understand your anger. So does God, whoever you believe that is. The witnesses should not let kids be baptized when they have no clue about the world.

  44. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    I can’t even fake clap for that performance…I’ve held conversations with virtually hundreds of traumatized people, dissociatives and borderline personalities in person and via every means of communication and you are about 500 exclamation points (figurative) and capital letters short! Certainly in all the wrong places.

    I am not the moderator of this forum and Cedars doesn’t generally ban people without warning. That sounds like more underhanded Watchtower propaganda. Anyone who reads those posts does not need my level of experience to see who you are. Who sent you and what your motives are. I just was highly sensitized immediately like a bird dog!

    The one thing you said which sounds like crowd pleasing DISinformation and I do concur with, along with Disfellowshipping which is traumatic at that age is:

    “To anyone who was baptized at like 12 or 13, I do feel bad for you. No child is mature enough at that age to even commit to a pair of sneakers, much less something like baptism. Jesus was 30 and he was PERFECT and the SON OF GOD!!! So I understand your anger. So does God, whoever you believe that is. The witnesses should not let kids be baptized when they have no clue about the world.”

    It is peculiar if not telling however that you would raise these concerns (among others):

    I see all kinds of people saying stupid reasons for being mad at the witnesses. At least mine is for something major!”

    “I mean ain’t thre more to life than talking shit on a group you want no more part of?”

    If I were you all? I would just give it up while you can because you are not helping your case or the Society’s in the slightest. In fact you are helping everybody else’s and my own personal cases as well. You certainly won’t “convince” anybody of anything and especially anybody with any knowlege or experience in this particular realm of life.
    The matter that I recently wrote Mario Moreno and the Legal Department regarding is still outstanding and is falling ever farther in my interest and needs now more than ever to be resolved. In some measure thanks to this particular event but not exclusively.

    Kurt J. Hennig “Konrad”

  45. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Sassy Lassy April 27, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    “Jessica, you are a good person and I believe you have a good and loving heart. I think Jehovah was waiting for you to be ready to come back to him, as He forgives those who WANT to do what is good and right, and that is exactly how you sound to me….ready to come back.”

    Likely somebody else from the Watchtower Society looking to pick up and perpetuate the image and farce, attempt to carry on a battle on behalf of this person. If not it would be typically disgusting for a Jehovah’s Witness to say that such a person (if they actually existed) is “ready to come back” but the foul speech and immoral behavior is classic as is the bigotry and hatred towards the Mentally Ill.

  46. John says:

    Question 5 need not be answered if the answer to Question 4 is one-time. Question 9 appears optional if question 8 is unanswered. Question 2 is quite unimportant, although the failure to ask the gender of the elder under accusation appears strange. Nevertheless, we can see clear proof Cedars is out to usurp the Governing Body as he is the evil slave prophesised.

  47. Camoko says:

    Hope it will not happen to you.

  48. sharon says:

    First of all ALL JW”S are disobeying God and Jesus on a daily basis. They DO NOT follow God’s commands! Ps146:3 DO NOT PUT YOUR FAITH IN THAT OF EARTHLING MAN TO WHOM NO SALVATION BELONGS. Jer17:5 Cursed is he who follows earthling man. Ac5:29 NIV Peter and the apostles replied, We must obey God as ruler rather than human beings. Lu21:8 Do not be misled, for many will come on the basis of my name saying I am he, AND the end has drawn near, DO NOT FOLLOW AFTER THEM! So there you have it right from God’s Holy Word. There are NO scriptures saying in the last days one church would be the true God’s voice on earth. No. It says to stay away from man, the only one you should be following is Jesus. He is the only way to the Father. Is the gb going to stand with you on Judgement Day? No, but Jesus will…don’t you think you better obey him, since all authority was given him? When God says DO NOT! It means DO NOT in every language on the earth. So who is lying? The gb or God and Jesus?

  49. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Camoko June 24, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    “Hope it will not happen to you”

    You accidently put a “not” in there…typo?

    And silly ol’ me? What do I know anyway?
    (That any one else can’t see at least)

  50. ARTUR ASHBER says:

    Divine intervention is at close.Nobody could stop it.We all need a new world.

  51. LOL says:

    Ok , This letter was sent to (Look Above)

    Brroklyn NY .. Where is that? haha.. Nice try.

  52. LOL says:

    Ok lets keep it simple and just laugh..

    Look above <–

    Letter was sent to BRROKLYN NY .. Where is that? Keep it simple.

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