If you live in the United States, could this be what your next local kingdom hall will look like?
If you live in the United States, could this be what your next local kingdom hall will look like?

On Saturday, January 31st a special meeting was held for all elders in the United States Branch Territory. A letter sent out in advance advised elders that the meeting would be to unveil “a new, dramatically different Kingdom Hall design.”

Since then, images of the proposed new standardized “cookie cutter” design have been leaked on an ex-JW forum. They show a building that appears to have been envisioned with commercial applications in mind if the building ever needs to be sold in future.

One elder’s notes from the two-and-a-half hour meeting, also leaked online, indicate that elders were urged by Governing Body helper Robert Luccioni not to become like the Israelites who complained after leaving Egypt.

Ecclesiastes 7:10 was read, which says: “Do not say, ‘Why were the former days better than these?’ for it is not out of wisdom that you ask this.” The application was made that elders should not dwell on the past or point out flaws in the new arrangements.

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Robert Luccioni co-hosting the February 2015 JW Broadcasting episode
Robert Luccioni co-hosting the February 2015 JW Broadcasting episode

Leon Weaver, also a Governing Body helper, then revealed that there had been heated discussions within the US branch committee through the night as to whether the design for the new standardized kingdom halls was to be residential or commercial. Eventually, however, it seems all voted in favor of a commercial-style model – with windows.

JWsurvey has already reported on the changes that are being introduced by the Governing Body regarding how kingdom halls and assembly halls are built and financed. These changes involve all congregations sending a fixed donation to Watchtower every month, even if they were not previously in debt, and relinquishing all surplus funds to Watchtower.

Though the majority of rank-and-file publishers seem to have greeted the changes under the false impression that Watchtower is waiving the debts of congregations, not everyone has fallen for it.

On my Facebook page I was sent the following PM by an active publisher, who is happy for me to share it while asking to remain anonymous…

Hey John. I’m a baptized JW. I created this hidden account for myself for obvious reasons. I’m married to a zealous sister…my family are 90% JW and I was raised one from birth.

I have been doing a lot of thinking lately. I have been doing a lot of digging around and watching videos on YouTube… including yours on this organization. Reason why? Some things just don’t seem right. Some things just don’t seem logical..etc.

Last night a letter was read at my KH – by the way I’m from [country deleted]… The letter said that from now on, all contributions we make will be towards one global fund… so no more KH building fund box, world wide work box etc. It’s just one contribution that will go into a global fund. Now there was a resolution from the headquarters to be passed by all congregations that each congregation will send a certain amount to this global fund monthly.

The amount that was set for our congregation was [equivalent to] US $113. Keep in mind this is separate from Congregation expenses. We have around 70+ publishers. I thought if our brothers are struggling to pay congregation expenses… how are we going to keep this up monthly? Anyways they say it will go to everything like disasters, building halls, printing etc.

BUT THIS IS WHERE I WAS DISTURBED. AFTER THE MEETING I WAS CLEARING THE CONTRIBUTION BOX… AND I WAS TALKING TO AN ELDER ABOUT THE LETTER WHO IS THE SECRETARY… JUST TO UNDERSTAND IT FULLY. HE SAID TO ME… “WE WILL NEED TO KEEP IT UP SO THAT JEHOVAH’S SERVICE WILL BE CARRIED OUT… FOR EXAMPLE…I DON’T KNOW IF I SHOULD SAY THIS YET… BUT IT WILL BE NO SECRET SO I GUESS I CAN. DID YOU KNOW THAT LAST WEEK ALL CIRCUIT OVERSEERS GOT A BRAND NEW 2015 RAV4 FROM THE SOCIETY?”

I SAID “WHAT!!!!” HE SAID “YES BRAND NEW.” SO I SAID “BUT THE CO WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO WITH AN OLDER 2001 CAR?” THE ELDER SAID…”WELL I GUESS HE HAS 2 CARS NOW”… IN MY MIND I’M LIKE WHAT!!! THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT!!!
I AM STRUGGLING TO PAY MY BILLS AT HOME..I’M ENCOURAGED BY THE SOCIETY TO KEEP LIFE SIMPLE…DON’T START ANYTHING THAT’S GOING TO TAKE UP TIME LIKE A NEW BUSINESS EXTRA HOURS AT WORK ETC… AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME I MUST CONTRIBUTE MY MONEY SO THAT CIRCUIT OVERSEERS CAN DRIVE BRAND NEW CARS…ON TOP OF THAT…THE ELDER SAID THEIR SUVS WILL HAVE FREE SERVICING EACH TIME IT NEEDS IT AND ANY PARTS THEY NEED THIS WILL ALL BE PAID FOR BY THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.”

KEEP IN MIND IT COSTS AROUND $217 TO SERVICE ONE OF THESE SUVS EXCLUDING PARTS. I WAS THINKING IN MY HEAD…YOU MEAN PAID BY ME AND OTHER POOR BROTHERS WHO EITHER HAVE TO WALK EVERYWHERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A SIMPLE LIFE OR IN MY CASE I HAVE AN OLD LITTLE CAR THAT NEED LOTS AND LOTS OF PARTS RIGHT NOW… I DON’T EVEN HAVE A/C IN MY CAR, AND I’M TO GIVE MY MONEY TO HELP BUY 2015 SUVS AND MAINTENANCE…

CAN’T BELIEVE THIS… MY WIFE THINKS ITS A BLESSING FROM JEHOVAH…BUT I CAN’T TALK MY FEELING BECAUSE WHENEVER I DO..SHE SAYS I’M AN APOSTATE! …WHAT DO YOU THINK? CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON THIS? I’m not sure if the COs only in [my country] got 2015 SUVs or it’s a worldwide thing…but it’s shocking to me. I’m just in a puzzled state right now.”

Publishers like my friend above can expect to be even more bewildered as they see Watchtower continue its downsizing trend. Where once the organization prided itself on huge investment and global expansion – consolidation, thrift and cost-saving is now the order of the day.

Watchtower is now big on style, low on substance.

And with this new standardized kingdom hall, it appears Watchtower has one eye on what publishers will expect in return for accepting the new stealth-tithing arrangement, and one eye on making kingdom halls as marketable as possible should they eventually need to be sold off.

 

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135 thoughts on “New commercial-style standard kingdom hall design unveiled to elders

  • February 4, 2015 at 4:31 am
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    Looks like when it gets sold off it will make a nice Starbucks that will still be paid for by the R&F…

  • February 4, 2015 at 4:34 am
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    …Or a Doctor’s office that will be also frequented by the R&F to deal with the constant panic attacks and depression they also deal with…

  • February 4, 2015 at 4:53 am
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    @JJ, eating “comfort” foods can be a way of coping with depression too, just like drinking too much alcohol can. I know that every time I came home from a Sunday Meeting or a Thursday night meeting, I was reaching for some “comfort” food but I didn’t put two and two together at the time. All I knew was that I was “down” afterwards every time. I should have felt good in my conscience because I had forced myself to go to the meetings, even though I hated going, but afterwards, all I felt was “down”.

  • February 4, 2015 at 6:08 am
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    @JJ . Nice honest comments you made. I think MOST JWs feel the same way but HAVEN’T got the GUTS to admit they have made a BIG BIG MISTAKE trusting 7 Men who Keep Changing Doctrine. If they get off the TREADMILL now ,then ALL THOSE YEARS WASTED & MONEY in Donations& Lost Opportunities & Family Members they have SHUNNED. Many would look So STUPID that they could have been DUPED just like the Mormons,7 Day Adventist,Pentecostals,Scientology,Etc !! EMBARRASSING Really& Quite Sad!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 6:41 am
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    Steve Louis,

    Would you prefer me to not whine and complain about the paedophile scandal in your religion? Have yo researched this disgusting situation yet? I suggest you go and do that, and then I expect you, as a Christian, to hand in your disassociation letter and come and help us to put a stop to it once and for all.

    Comments such as yours convince me that I am obviously not whining and complaining enough!

    Thank you for inspiring me to further protests.

    I am so glad that I have freedom of speech with the Lord, because I love the young people and children enough to give a damn about their disgraceful treatment in your so called Christian religion. 1 John 4

    I pity you, sir. You are trying to defend the indefensible and you will lose.

    Peace be with you, Excelsior!

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:12 am
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    @Anonymous. I think you are right that so MANY JWs are Overweight because they are DEPRESSED & as soon as they get home from meetings they stuff their faces.One Elder who was GROSSLY Overweight a few months ago was giving a public talk & KEELED over & fell off the platform & died of a Massive Heart Attack at the AGE of 46! Left behind wife& 2 Kids!! If the GB had a Law to REPROOVE Greedy people if they were concerned with Sanctity of life like 1Cor.6v9,10 That Elder might have been alive today But our Holier than the thou GB will Disfellowship you for SMOKING One Cigarette in the Kingdom Hall but you can WOBBLE up to the platform & give a Talk on Eternal Life & how JEHOVAH views Life as Sacred & that’s why we Don’t SMOKE,Overindulge in ALCOHOL, Abstain from Blood,etc BUT MORE PEOPLE DIE now from OVER EATING than Smoking& Alcohol for Example :
    HEART DISEASE,STROKES,DIABETES,KIDNEY Problems,BOWEL,Prostate & BREAST CANCERS ,Etc LOOK at Some Members of Governing Body they look like they could do with losing a few stone in weight. By the way I like their EXPENSIVE SUITS,WATCHES(Nice GOLD one Sam Herd wearing in Feb. Monthly TV lecture) & Expensive Rings!! KEEP those DONATIONS, WILLS,STOCKS & Shares,& Real Estate Rolling in !!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:37 am
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    I have just been ordered out of Dover Market Square by two JWs for daring to challenge last month’s article on ‘Should we pray to Jesus?’ My ‘crime’ was that I said that you could. “Amen. Come, Lord Jesus” (Revelation 22:20) is even in the New World Translation.

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:46 am
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    @Pickled brain, if they started disfellowshipping for eating too much, they would lose 50% of the stock and believe me, that is the last thing they want and you are right. Weight causes just as much deaths as smoking for sure. I believe it would do either cause people to wake up or lose weight for their own health and either one would be good but the Society isn’t going to take any chances and yes, they aren’t any skinny Minnie’s for sure. I also was trying to identify that watch that Sam Herd was wearing but he kept hiding it under the table but I started looking up Rolex watches on Google and now I am getting Rolex watches every time I look at anything on the computer. If he’s wearing a Rolex, it could cost as much as $68,000 down to about $5,000 for a cheap one with a leather band. If there was any way of identifying that watch, I’d sure be curious about who makes it and how much it costs. It sure didn’t look like any watch that a normal Bethelite could afford with their meager pay. Them with their gold watches and their rings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drMMBE6KRbI&feature=player_detailpage

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:52 am
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    I think that if they want the globalised marketing strategy to completely succeed they would need to changed the logo to McJW with the “pioneer more…” or “donate to use more”…slogan.

    That would look very commercial.

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:04 am
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    I remember the hall that I attended my most of my years as a JW being sold to another religious group after a very very long time on the market (it wasn’t in a desirable location and the building was too distinctive to be used for any other purpose). It was a HUGE divisive issue in the congregation and that decision caused a lot of brothers and sisters to leave. I remember many local needs talks trying to sell the idea to the congregation.
    T

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:21 am
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    @Tipper they have sold the New Zealand branch offices to another denomination. They have sold “The very own house of Jehovah” as Morris the Third says to baal, to Babylon the Great.
    Can you believe it? Yes they did!

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:21 am
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    @Anonymous. Great song& video!! Would JESUS wear a Pinky Ring & would he wear a ROLEX on his Arm & Drive a Cadillac!! Our HIGHNESS & HOLINESS the Humble??? Judge Rutherford Drove TWO CADILLACs , not at the Same Time!! NOW that would be a MIRACLE!! & He had a SECOND HOME at Beth SARIM .. 10 Room Mansion!!! & One on Staten Island as well as an Apartment at Bethel. Ohhh My !!! There is ONLY ONE LEADER & MASTER & Great Teacher AND that is Our FAITHFUL & WISE Servant ,Not Jesus … Oh No !! IT IS the GREAT PYRAMID Worshipper ‘Charlie Taze Russell !!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:26 am
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    @Excelsior.Good point you made perhaps we are not whining& complaining enough!

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:52 am
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    The witness religion (corporation) is doing exactly what any business needs to do to ensure long term profitability. Reduce costs (make all new Kingdom Halls generic and sterile) and empty the bank accounts of the congregations.
    Problem is that this religion’s growth in the western world is diminishing rapidly (most growth is now in developing countries) and therefore the donations are depleting and a business can only reduce costs to a certain extent – plus all of the lawsuits for the pedophile cases will be expensive.
    GB are you sure you don’t want me to go to university so I can pay for your next tour around the world?
    Maybe the lawyers and accountants will advise the GB to implement “new light” on the whole university issue.

    • September 24, 2016 at 1:46 am
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      You’d think so at first – university=more money to contribute. But then you realize unversity=more critical thinking skills and less likely to drink the kool aid.

      It’s absolutely revolting that they put out a video telling little kids to give up ice cream money yet the GB fly business class and wear Rolex watches. And the give a talk on the internet where they throw perfectly good bread in the garbage. How many kids go hungry in the world and they waste good food?

      People need to wake up and see this organization for what it is. Yes there are some good people in it but not its leaders. They do not have the truth. They are modern day Pharisees and Jesus would have nothing but contempt for them.

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:58 am
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    @rob I think you are right the biggest increase is coming in the Third World or Developing Nations where Donations are MUCH Lower. So the WISE move would be to have NEW LIGHT & say Moses was taught in all the WISDOM of the Egyptians but still remained a Spiritual Man so Go to University if you wish& Get a Really Good Job & then DONATIONS would increase!!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 10:02 am
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    Excelsior, I endorse your response to Steve Louis 100%, it wasn’t
    “Hearsay” and “Anecdote that convicted the abusers of Candace Conti
    and Karen Morgan and countless others. It was hard evidence in a
    court of law, ( Which Steve indicates he respects). Also exposed were
    the cover up’s by men appointed by and instructed by W,T,

    Steve’s writing skills would better used in condemning such injustices,
    rather than, as you say, “Defending the indefensible”.

  • February 4, 2015 at 10:39 am
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    It looks like an engineering office…

    …and believe me, I know what I’m talking about.

  • February 4, 2015 at 10:44 am
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    So you build this design to sell in the future for possible office, factory, or warehouse use (which is exactly what this design looks like to me, and I’m in construction).

    I thought there was no future to sell this in? I thought the “system” would be ending any minute now?

    At least once it is sold in the future, the children who were indoctrinated there previously will be all grown up and without education, and can get the good jobs of cleaning it or answering the phones.

    Remember due to the threat of “bad association”, and having your “thinking changed” there is no need for college or higher education to be the Manager, or work in the building as an Engineer. (or Legal expert lol)

    fds actions = “We build with future value in mind in this system.”

    fds instructions = “Don’t educate yourself with any future value in mind in this system. Instead, work to increase our value….. for free”

    Very culty.

  • February 4, 2015 at 10:57 am
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    Halls were bought and paid for by the Congs, and were
    held in trust by a small group of bros, (Trustees). So any
    decision by the org, regarding the hall could be challenged
    by the trustees, ( Very unlikely, but nevertheless less a
    Possibility.)

    Now they want complete autonomy over every thing, people
    and property. With “All” the money from the Congs, going
    directly to them, they will pay for new halls and will own them
    outright, thereby expanding their “Property Empire”. Moving
    people around, doubling and trebling up on the Congs. using
    the hall when ever it suits them, will be their un-questionable
    decision.

    The literature business, which has kept them rolling in it for a
    century or more is dying on it’s feet, ( Apart from the captive
    market they already own, who will snap up everything they print .)
    Hence the downsizing on the printing facilities..

    This is the next phase then, own all the cash and all the
    property. So simple, why didn’t they think of it sooner?

  • February 4, 2015 at 11:45 am
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    I have a prediction that they will soon find a way to monetize JW.org traffic. They’ve pretty much made it mandatory to use it, now they will have some kind of a monthly membership fee or figure out some way to incorporate advertising of some sort. OR, if they haven’t already done so, will sell website user data to third party companies. That is pretty easy and most big websites are doing it. Perhaps they have some plans to monetize the new KHs too, even without selling them. Maybe ATM fees, selling wi-fi, etc.

  • February 4, 2015 at 3:40 pm
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    is the $113 per publisher per month or for the whole congregation per month?

  • February 4, 2015 at 3:58 pm
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    @Jakemon75. Your why all this building work as ARMAGEDDON is so NEAR as a Brother said in his talk last week!!
    @ Ted . Your so right too.Why didn’t GB think of this Property Building Empire of owning all the Kingdom Halls & Land around it !!We paid a Mortgage of £250,000 over 15 years for our Hall which we paid off to the Society 5 years ago. I do the Accounts we have paid RENT for the Kingdom Hall of £800 a month to The Watchtower Society which is shared between 2 Congregations !!! It is like paying off a Mortgage on a house of £250,000 to a Bank but you don’t own your own House but the Bank will kindly let you Rent it off them& they can sell it anytime they want & you Are made HOMELESS!!! The same thing happened with our Circuit Assembly Hall but at a cost of £500,000 English!! & Now Every Circuit Assembly we HAVE TO DONATE £8000 to Rent the Hall every Circuit Assembly split between 8 Congregations!! WHO SAID RELIGION is a SNARE & a RACKET??? Now the Name of that Person who said that ,ELUDES ME!! No, No I think it’s coming to me….. Hmmmm I think it Was JR !!!Not JR. EWING from DALLAS but another JR !! It’s something to do with JUDGING or is that JUDGE Rutherford??? Can you HEAR me UP IN HEAVEN YOU Old SCOUNDEL who lived in a 10 room MANSION at Beth SARIM with 2 Cadillacs with second home on Staten Island & an Apartment at Bethel while people were STARVING during the GREAT DEPRESSION of 1929& 1930s!! Obscene!! Well you would be proud of this Latest Property Scheme! Better than Any PYRAMID Scheme that Russell could come up with!! WHO MENTIONED ‘GIZA’??? Couldn’t RENT that out to Bible Students!!! Hmmm Now that’s an IDEA!!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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    @ Jakemon75. Sorry the first sentence of my last comment to you should have said ‘ Your right’

  • February 4, 2015 at 4:36 pm
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    @Pickled brain. Is that like buying a franchise like paying out $250,000.00 to put a McDonald’s sign up on your restaurant, only it’s worse because you never get done paying it off? That sure sounds like a racket to me. Let’s figure this out now. We are a publishing business and we get our people to think they are working for God and so they take out all these magazines every month from the magazine counter and they hand them out for free to the people at the door, but the publishers pay for them at the back of the hall so these magazines can be placed for “free” at the door so they (Society) is actually getting paid for the literature but it’s the publishers who actually pay for the literature so the people at the door get them for “free”.

    Let’s see….um… a good business would say, the fact that these people at the door don’t have to pay for them, means that an awful lot more of these magazines will be left in the householder’s hands. Wow, what an idea? Why didn’t I think of that??? Oh yes, that was Russell’s idea way back when. It’s called free advertising.

    And then, let’s see how else we can scam these stupid people. Let’s go around and tell these stupid people that the Society says their Kingdom Halls aren’t up to snuff so they will all have to remodel and then we can make the cost about $39,000 (ours) and then we can tell them that they can take out a loan from us (interest free of course) and even though it doesn’t cost that much since we have all that free labor, we (Society)can get that loan back but then we (Society) will make them all sign their Kingdom Halls over to us. Wow! Why didn’t I think of that????

    Then, a couple years later after they get these inflated loans paid off, we (Society) can send them a 4 page letter and the first week only the first page is read and it makes the congregation think that any congregation who still has a loan that hasn’t been paid off doesn’t have to pay it off anymore.. Wow! Why didn’t I think of that? Make them think how nice we (Society) is….

    And then to be really clever about it, we (Society) will tell the elders not to read the rest of the 4 page letter to the congregation where we (Society) ask that they continue to pay off that loan for ever and ever but we make them think they are helping out all their poor brothers and sisters in poor countries by making them think that the money is going to go for building Kingdom Halls in countries where the people are really poor and have to sit outside in the rain for meetings but we won’t tell those stupid people that it’s actually going to pay off sex abuse cases in the tens of millions of dollars. Boy, or boy. Aren’t we the clever ones???? All we (Society) has to do is make those stupid people think they are pleasing the Lord and we (Society) can get away with murder. These people are so stupid. Why not take advantage of them and just to make sure we (Society) never gets caught, we (Society) will make it a law that if anybody questions us, we will disfellowship them for apostasy. Boy, why didn’t I think of that???? Man, what a racket!!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm
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    @Anonymous I LIKE your Style of Thinking!! I QUALIFY you to be the 8th Member of The Governing Body , or Perhaps you could set up your OWN Religion& Me,You,Grace,Wild Olive,Ted,Excelsior, Jakemon75 Could be the NEW 7 Governing Body members of our New Religion called ‘The SEVEN PYRAMIDS’ or The Magnificent Seven or ‘The Return of BETH SARIM ‘ or ‘FREDDIES LOYAL SEVEN’ ohhh the list is Endless!!!

  • February 4, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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    @Pickled brain. Just think of how much money we could make then. All it takes is not having a conscience.

  • February 4, 2015 at 5:57 pm
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    @Anonymous. What Slander!! I am CONSCIOUS !!! Oooppss Sorry you said Conscience!! What’s a Few Changed Words amongst Brothers! It all means the same.Some Say ‘Parousia, some say Coming,some say Arrival’ & GENERATION can have different meanings if the GB say so EVEN though every dictionary define it as about 30 or 40 years !! & SO DID JESUS, silly me to forget JESUS as he wrote the word in 33c.e. & WHEN did Jerusalem Fall to the Romans ??? 37 yes 37 years Later within ThAT GENERATION !

  • February 4, 2015 at 6:24 pm
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    @Pickled brain. All we need is somebody who can write fiction and throw in a few scriptures and we would have it made.

  • February 4, 2015 at 6:36 pm
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    Now I get ya! I thought I said something out of place.

    However, what did occur to me was in Cedars last post about “Tight Pant’s Tony’s” rant.

    I didn’t hear him loud and clear state
    that the reason one shouldn’t pursue higher education is that the time is short.

    It was more geared toward “bad association” and “having your thinking changed”.

    Seems we may have missed the moving away from the focus on a shortened timetable.

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:11 pm
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    @JJ,another hall horror story.
    A neighbouring cong sold off their old hall which came with a parcel of land,it was decided to build a new hall on the land and use the proceeds of the sale to build a ” better more up to date ” hall.
    The idea was approved by God /GB and the sale went ahead,and who went and bought it,the Mormons.
    So now a hall had to be built that would give definition to Gods true organization not the imposters next door.
    The design of the new hall had a seperate alcove,to make it look different,it ended up looking more like a KFC, and has become a standard joke,the Kentucky fried Kingdom hall.
    While all this was going on the Mormons were experiencing an unbelievable increase,and ended up selling the old hall and building a new one 200 yrds further down the road,3 times bigger than the old Kingdom hall and 4 times bigger than the KFC hall,with a vast car park.
    I think that cong is very depressed lol

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:21 pm
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    @picked,I respectfully decline my appointment on the new and improved GB as I can’t conscientiously take money off those who can’t afford salvation through an organization lol

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:22 pm
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    @anonymous
    Thanks for posting the video. Great song.

  • February 4, 2015 at 7:46 pm
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    Before I begin I’m American and also have had a few drinks in me, so I apolgise in advance. See I used the s instead of the z! I have been following your site for some time. Good information that I cannot otherwise attain. Knowledge is good. About that scripture, I would ask a question out of reason rather than a lack of wisdom. I think the two are willfully conjoined into two words, blind faith. I enjoy the information you provide, however I cannot help but feel the seething hatred it’s seems you have for this org. This is only my opinion, but any unverified musings as to the reasons for these actions you keep us apprised of will stand on their own merit, many can see for themselves. I feel that you are providing a sort of anti “witness” at times. I’m am only trying to say that you sometimes taint your own message with a nagativity that some would not read until the end. I personally am not as intelligent as you are, nor as bold. There are others on this board that also fit into this category. This is not an attack, only an observation. I am more like you than you know, however I never reached the accolades as well as your accomplishments. You at times seem very combative, and that is not good for people that are looking and wanting. I will once again say I am an American, and a redneck one at that, so don’t be mad. You provide an excellent service, but do not let you personal feelings affect what you write, or how you argue, present the facts and let them stand on their own merit. I also live in a mobile home so don’t be hating on me ok!

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:05 pm
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    Pickled brain,

    Yep, it’s not what you do, it’s who you know… or don’t know… and what they say about you! And if they’re wrong, too bad for you! They certainly won’t go out of their way to fix things afterward. That’s on you. It’s so sad.

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:09 pm
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    @Robert,

    Yeah, Cedars is such a jerk to criticize an organization that claims to speak for God but lies, protects pedophiles, forbids life-saving medical treatments, discourages getting an education and considers women only slightly more intelligent than livestock.

  • February 4, 2015 at 8:27 pm
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    @robert,well said for a red neck,Ime glad you have a definition for yourself over and above anything that the GB says.
    Also don’t worry your not the only red neck,every time I look at the GB on their live streaming I just want to put a round in the chamber.

  • February 4, 2015 at 9:21 pm
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    @annonymous
    The song is priceless thanks for sharing !
    @robert
    I like funny rednecks and don’t worry about couple drinks they are now allowed so your conscience should be fine !
    @brother Sam
    that “stupid” gold looking watch was really distraction !I use to the two rings on your hands it looks like a standard for a GB members but I can stop thinking about that watch was it real or just replica ?Was it really worth to put this ON and distract your bros or you don’t care anymore or you even didn’t think this way ? Would Jesus wear it ? This is the question you remind to us very often !

  • February 5, 2015 at 12:34 am
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    @Wild olive. I am sorry ‘Olive’ you CANNOT refuse The Appointment of The ‘Holy JOHNNIE WALKER’ sorry Holy Spirit .I was just reading ‘Enemies’ book by Joseph Rutherford (Tea Totaller). The only way to Get Thrown off the GB is to commit the ‘UNFORGIVEABLE SIN such as Respecting PAGAN SYMBOLS e.g. Pyramids,Putting a Fairy on a Xmas Tree at Bethel,Your childDrawing a CROSS on the Watchtower in the upper left corner,etc ,Giving a HUG to Leo Greenlees or Ewart Chitty,etc
    I am English & a Fan of Monty Python ! You will have to excuse my HUMOUR

  • February 5, 2015 at 12:40 am
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    @Yawn . Your COMMENTS are showing ever & ever Greater Insight I Anoint you with Holy JOHNNIE Walker. You can Replace ‘Guy Pierce’ who is now on Alcyon where all TRUE Anointed are & we shall have 8 Members of the Governing Body!

  • February 5, 2015 at 12:43 am
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    @ Anonymous . I Really like your Style of writing & Deep Insight! I am thinking of making you Vice- President!! Of The GB

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