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Watchtower has released a video aimed at promoting the Witness life as the “best life ever”

Hot on the heels of its promotional video about the Philippines typhoon, JW.org has released a short film aimed at promoting the preaching work among young people.

The film is the latest in the “What Your Peers Say” series. Ironically, Watchtower has written numerous articles dissuading young ones from succumbing to so-called “peer pressure,” but peer pressure is evidently not such a bad thing if Watchtower gets to choose which peers you should listen to.

We start with a sister named Cameron setting off in a kayak with her friend. The impression is given that Witness youths are free to lavish their time on recreational pursuits.

“When we’re growing up, we all have to make decisions. We all have to choose which path we will take,” says Cameron. No hint is given that the penalties for going back on the ‘choice’ of becoming a Witness include estrangement from loved ones and stigmatization as being “mentally diseased.”

“Our ministry, teaching others about the bible, has always been an important part of my life,” reflects Cameron after telling us that she was raised a Witness.

If the sole purpose of the ministry of Jehovah’s Witnesses was “teaching others about the bible,” likely this website would not exist – or we would at least have very little worth writing about.

Belief in the bible alone will not save you from being feasted on by birds at Armageddon, according to Watchtower
Belief in the bible alone will not save you from being feasted on by birds at Armageddon, according to Watchtower

The more ugly reality, ignored in Cameron’s monologue, is that you can be a believer in the bible, Jesus AND Jehovah – but still be deemed worthy of a gruesome death if you fail to bend your knee to the self-proclaimed authority of seven men in New York.

Cameron’s video goes on to reveal how she was inspired by her local friends as well as accounts in the Yearbook to plan a preaching trip to Malawi. She relates experiences that she enjoyed, such as “sharing a seat with poor people” on the bus, and preaching in a home where she was invited to give a presentation in front of the household.

The video concludes by showing Cameron again enjoying recreational activities back home in America – hiking with friends, joining a picnic, and playing with a ball.

The viewer is left with the impression that the Witness faith is entirely benign, that Witnesses teach people about the bible in poor countries, and that they have the “best life ever” – including fun recreational activities.

Apart from the video’s strong coercive aspect, the timing of its release is also intriguing. Why?

JW.org has recently released the program for the upcoming regional conventions (formerly known as district conventions). When you turn to Friday afternoon, you notice a symposium entitled “What Must Be Kept in Second Place?”

second-placeAs you can see, “recreation,” which was used as a major selling point in Cameron’s video, is top of the list of things that Witnesses are to keep in “second place.”

Eating and drinking, concerns about health, and even family ties are similarly to be knocked down the pecking order by Witnesses wherever seeking first the kingdom is concerned.

Getting away with it

The devaluing of family ties that Witnesses can look forward to at this year’s convention follows the pattern set last year, when convention audiences were reminded to shun disfellowshipped loved ones as an act of loyalty.

Regrettably, JW.org’s slick charm offensive will always whitewash over niggling doctrinal details such as the above, leaving countless young Witnesses enthralled by the glossy spin and PR.

Back in the late nineties I was one of the many Witness teenagers hoodwinked into believing that higher education should be spurned, and that by surrendering your youth to serving Watchtower you will attain the “best life ever.”

I now find it amazing that Watchtower can misrepresent its own teachings with such impunity. And it seems to have the media precisely where it wants them, at least for now.

Every year we see newspapers and TV stations emphasizing the financial gains to local communities from hosting Witness conventions, whilst turning a blind eye to the more sinister connotations of what is actually taught at these events. I believe 2014 will be no different, despite Watchtower brazenly putting its cards on the table in the above program.

That’s why it is so crucial that we expose such blatant hypocrisy and propaganda at every opportunity, especially with the future happiness and prosperity of so many young ones at stake.

With the media seemingly in Watchtower’s pocket right now, you can be sure that if we don’t speak out, nobody else will.

 

 

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150 thoughts on “JW.org boasts of “best life ever” while pushing family ties into second place

  • March 28, 2014 at 1:23 am
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    JBob it is so sad, that Italy the country that is kown for the strong bounds that family members have, an organization sends an idiot to Rome who explains that df members should be shunned if family or not.

  • March 28, 2014 at 4:27 am
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    Jbob, it’s true that people in Italy(and elsewhere) act accordingly behind Everyone elses’h back regarding shunning of their loved ones. But is that the point? One is forced to act in a sneaky way just to do what their conscience tells them. And since everyone is constantly spying on everyone else, what kind of a “spiritual paradise” is that? Jesus said the truth would make us free. What a joke these people are!!! To think I’ve believed it for so long!

  • March 28, 2014 at 4:40 am
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    Scrubmaster: That is interesting. I have wondered why the society does not use modern methods to spread their urgent message to the world. TV (or even YouTube) ads would be a much more productive way to reach the masses in this time of “the end.”

    Shouldn’t they be doing everything possible to spread the message to every corner of the world?

    I am not a JW, but did visit 2 Kingdom Halls last fall. Both times, the congregation grew more fervent, when they began talking about the importance of their preaching work. If the message is so important, why do they waste so much time (and money) on fruitless efforts? Common sense would tell any reasonable person that there are much more efficient ways to advertise in modern times.

    They have created a new website, JW.org. But instead of using the internet and media to promote it, they send their publishers out to advertise it from door-to-door. A recent statistic I saw, suggested that for every newly baptized JW, over 6,000 hours were spent in the door-to-door preaching work.

    In 2013, they proudly publish their statistics:
    TOTAL HOURS SPENT IN THE FIELD MINISTRY 1,841,180,235

    1.8 Billion hours … how much fruit are they gathering from these efforts? What is the actual cost to the publishers who volunteer all their time and resources to promote their website?

    Why not just pay for ads on Facebook and YouTube, or even put up some billboards?

  • March 28, 2014 at 6:24 am
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    @Holy Conolli,
    She should make sure she tells them that women should memorize the answer to this question
    “In what situations is it appropriate for a Christian woman to wear a head covering for spiritual reasons?” (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=w02+7%2F15+pp.+26-27)

    And if they refuse”to wear a head covering for spiritual reason” she should tell them that “*** re chap. 10 pp. 53-54 par. 20 Abhorring the “Deep Things of Satan” ***
    Some based their beliefs on the teachings of strong-minded women of the 19th century, such as Ellen White of the Seventh-Day Adventists and Mary Baker Eddy of the Christian Scientists, and more recently many women have been preaching from the pulpit. (Contrast 1 Timothy 2:11, 12.) Among the different forms of Catholicism, Mary is often honored ahead of God and Christ. Jesus did not so honor her. (John 2:4; 19:26) Could organizations that admit such unlawful female influence really be accepted as Christian?

    Full disclosure!!! Let us abhor the “Deep Things of Satan” as Watchtower says!!!

  • March 28, 2014 at 7:17 am
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    Yes, it is ironic that an org so big on conscience runs roughshod over individuals acting by conscience in defiance of its “suggestions”.

  • March 28, 2014 at 10:52 am
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    I watch it… pretty much went over my head because of being another language… thanks for the link anyway.

  • March 28, 2014 at 11:10 am
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    @Doublegame. Yes indeed – spying is what they do. My parents home was spied on by a power hungry Elder who had an issue with my Father who was Presiding Overseer at the time; and so my poor mum was reported to the other Elders and admonished, for giving me (her disfellowshipped daughter) a goodbye kiss on the cheek as I left one day after visiting them.

    Such a loving Organisation! Not.

    But you are right. The truth does set us free – free from this despicable mind-controlling Organisation.

  • March 28, 2014 at 1:04 pm
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    Apocalypsis – But the ‘core doctrines’ whatever they are, have always stunk and have always been ridiculous. Please name a JW doctrine that deserves an existence in any healthy mind, never mind ‘faring better’.

    And as for your highly qualified divinity mate, you missed the point of my post totally.

    I was not referring to the essential nature of the divine, merely that discussing the divine nature of God is akin to discussing the airness of air, the breadness of bread, the wordlike nature of words or the Godlike nature of God.

    I suspect that you, like most of us on here, were at one time gulled by all the JW crazy cruel nonsense. Most of us acknowledge that, for whatever reason, we were suckers. I know I was; as a five year old I had no armoury of info. or reason to counter the JW bullshit.

    I suspect, apocalypsis, that you were conned by the JWs back in the days of Franz and Knorr, and, for pathetic vanity’s sake, want to kid yourself that mid 20th century JWdom was somehow worthy.

    It was not. It was horrible; it was cruel; it was based on lies and ignorance.

    OK, some extra daft stuff has been lobbed in since, but all the idiocy of pretending not to be part of CHristendom, The WT bosses as God’s exclusive earthly rep., the murderous blood stuff, the birthday ban, were all in place.

    JWdom is, was, and will be rotten to its core.

    Or do you really imagine that there is something in ‘the core doctrines’ that I have failed to grasp and that deserves to ‘fare better’?

    Please explain what I have missed!

  • March 28, 2014 at 1:37 pm
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    What do you do, ImperfectMagu, when you have failed, totally, to provide any justification for the claims of JWs to be God’s unique chosen earthly vehicle?

    Do you forswear ‘apostate’ websites and similar info., and attempt to cocoon yourself from reality in the imagined safety of your Kingdom Hall?

    I sincerely hope, that whatever you do, your venturing on to this site, has set you thinking, reading, researching and enquiring.

    I know how much richer life is when the mind and body are no longer shackled by Watchtower lies and diktats.

    Here’s to your recovery. You deserve better than to be an unaid mag. pusher for a corrupt global publishing and property corporation that cares for you only so long as you spend your time and money increasing its capital value.

    Best wishes.

  • March 28, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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    @ Rowland:
    I can’t speak for apochalypsis, but I do tend to think of certain “core” doctrines.

    These are probably different for different people, to some extent. For me, they are the teachings that still held some appeal for me the longest, even after all the stuff that I saw that I had trouble stomaching, the teachings that made me say, “Oh well, at least I still believe a, b, and c…that’s the main thing.”

    For me, these included no hellfire, no immortality of the soul, and no trinity (typing this I realize these first three are all juxtaposed negatively). These also included teachings that involved a purpose, both for the universe and for me personally: the notion of a paradise earth, and the idea of the drama over Universal Sovereignty and the “vindication of God’s name.” The idea of being “no part of the world,” focused on the future kingdom and doing good impartially towards all people without prejudice also appealed to me.

    If these were the ONLY teachings, I could see myself still wholehearted being on of Jehovah’s Witnesses. However, it is all the control, the hypocrisy, etc that finally tipped the scale for me as it has for so many others. Many of these teachings existed pre-Rutherford and pre-Russell, and continue to exist in other groups. They also seemed to me to be “scriptural.” Moreover, they seemed to be reasonable and loving. If you believe these above things and these thing only, it doesn’t seem to me to have a negative impact on one’s life, really–only a positive one.

    • March 28, 2014 at 9:31 pm
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      Your comment, PureStrongHeart’ reminded me of my childhood years. I actually imagined that those ‘core JW values’ were good things.

      Later reading and research, of course, made me realise they were as useful and substantial as the very pictures from JW books with their multi culti, ever youthful crowds with their fine cut Hollywood faces picking frit and patting lions in the sunshine.

      The very idea of focusing one’s life on a fantasy and pretending that, as a member of the human race, and thus part of the world, you are no pat of it, isultimately destructive.

      Gods, Unitarian, Trinitarian, Immanent or Anthropomorphic; all this stuff is neither here nor there. At the core of JWdom has always been the notion that absolute obedience to this Bible God’s unique earthly rep. is the only route to avoiding an imminent divine execution at Armageddon. That is enough to make the core stinking and rotten. Forswearing the ‘world’ bars the route to spending one’s time improving the world we know, the only one that has a substantive and demonstrable existence. That notion that all beyond the confines of JWdom is Satanic and beyond redemption has always been at the foul core of JWdom.

      Yes, I do remember the self righteous glow I felt as a door knocking JW child. You can only ‘glow’ in that mode of life, if you allow your mind and life to be constrained by a ghastly and terrible ignorance.

      JWdom is, was and will be, rotten to its core.

  • March 28, 2014 at 1:56 pm
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    I do believe that you need to go back and read my post as it was, technically, intended as a direct response to the observations of the various posters regarding the drying up of resources within the Society (whether human or financial).

    From the standpoint of “salability”, a seemingly plausible marketing strategy (no matter how specious) will outsell one that is patently (and apparently) ridiculous. Having been “raised in the truth” (an expression I specifically dislike), I can directly contrast the organization I grew up with, versus the current iteration. Based upon my personal experience, I feel I can state with some confidence that the current group of GB members comprise a less salable product. To this end, my references to past GB members was intended to contrast their decorum with that of the current crop.

    They were, unarguably, more dignified (hence, more salable in leadership roles).

    I would recommend that you refrain from injecting your obvious, and personal, animosity for the Society into the conversation and remain objective. Particularly when reading and responding to posts. You seem be allowing your own distaste (based on negative experience, etc., I can only assume) for the WTBTS to influence your interpretation of what is being posted. In effect, you are mirroring the GB by reading things into the posts that are not contained in the words of the posters.

    To wit:

    “I suspect, apocalypsis, that you were conned by the JWs back in the days of Franz and Knorr, and, for pathetic vanity’s sake, want to kid yourself that mid 20th century JWdom was somehow worthy.”

    Additionally, I listed the specific issues I considered “core doctrines” and none of the issue you’ve just mentioned are among them. I believe I also stated in my posts that I feel the GB has always overstepped its authority. For instance, I’ve always purchased Girl Scout Cookies and I will continue to do so, I like them.

    You shouldn’t read so much into the posts.

    I’m an avowed troll and normally I would bait you for the fun of it. However, it appears from your own words that you were genuinely affected, and injured, by your negative experience. My condolences.

  • March 28, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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    My apologies Purestrong Heart, my last post was in response to Rowland Nelken.

  • March 28, 2014 at 2:12 pm
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    Did I hear the words ” serve where the need is great?”

    This has been another of the Watchtowers warped ploys that has made life as difficult as possible for it’s faithful members, all under the guise of pleasing Jehovah.

    When 1975 was on the horizon, many obediently acted upon the orders of the Society, packed a suitcase (literally) and left behind all other material possessions (literally). In fact, upon suggestion from the Society they actually gave them away, as there was no point in having the burden of unnecessary possessions with the end being so close!

    Following their Organisational given instructions they relocated to a country ravaged by civil unrest; the economy severely in dire straits and where people were defined by their religion and accent. They left their families and homes to go where they had no home or means of supporting themselves financially except for window cleaning and odd jobs.

    They were viewed by many in the local congregations as having been sent by the Society to police them.

    Many of these brothers and sisters who relocated, struggled financially, mentally and emotionally with no support offered from the Society.

  • March 28, 2014 at 4:04 pm
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    @Purestrong Heart

    Pretty much my sentiments, exactly.

    My my issues with the WTBTS and the GB are myriad, I took a particular distaste to last year’s Annual Meeting and the pomp and pageantry, therein.

    The Governing Body declaring themselves the “Faithful and Discreet Slave” was the proverbial last straw. Watching the dupes applauding this coup d’etat was particularly shocking.

    Firstly, the concept of the Faithful and Discreet Slave as a ruling class is not supportable. It was just used by Jesus as a teaching moment and used by illustration. As I have stated in other posts; the Apostles never asked what would be the sign of the coming of the Faithful and Discreet Slave and none of the disciples referred to themselves, or the Older Men, as such (this lack of New Testament reference to the FDS, beyond Jesus’ illustration, is probably why they’ve abandoned the notion of the FDS existing prior 1919).

    Can we imagine something of such alleged import being left to a mere reference by illustration?

    Secondly, the GB used the miracle of Jesus feeding the 5,000 (not including the women and children) to bolster their position; “Jesus feeds the many through the hands of a few”. A ridiculous comparison, and yet, the audience couldn’t get enough of it.

    The miraculous feeding does not have a comparative tie-in with the so called; “feeding of the domestics”. The 5,000 were not Jesus “domestics”, rather, they were just plain old “worldly” peeps looking for an Iron Age “Filet-O-Fish” (as indicated by Jesus own words; “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill”).

    Lastly, they are clearly taking scriptures, that are unrelated contextually, and using them to paint a picture that the rank-and-file will eagerly absorb.

    Unfortunately, they always color outside the lines.

  • March 28, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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    @Purestrong Heart

    Pretty much my sentiments, exactly.

    My my issues with the WTBTS and the GB are myriad, I took a particular distaste to last year’s Annual Meeting and the pomp and pageantry, therein.

    The Governing Body declaring themselves the “Faithful and Discreet Slave” was the proverbial last straw. Watching the dupes applauding this coup d’etat was particularly shocking.

    Firstly, the concept of the Faithful and Discreet Slave as a ruling class is not supportable. It was just used by Jesus as a teaching moment and used by illustration. As I have stated in other posts; the Apostles never asked what would be the sign of the coming of the Faithful and Discreet Slave and none of the disciples referred to themselves, or the Older Men, as such (this lack of New Testament reference to the FDS, beyond Jesus’ illustration, is probably why they’ve abandoned the notion of the FDS existing prior 1919).

    Can we imagine something of such import being left to an mere reference by illustration?

    Secondly, the GB used the miracle of Jesus feeding the 5,000 (not including the women and children) to bolster their position; “Jesus feeds the many through the hands of a few”. A ridiculous comparison, and yet, the audience couldn’t get enough of it.

    The miraculous feeding does not have a comparative tie-in with the so called; “feeding of the domestics”. The 5,000 were not Jesus “domestics”, rather, they were just plain old “worldly” peeps looking for an Iron Age “Filet-O-Fish” (as indicated by Jesus own words; “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill”).

    They are clearly taking scriptures, that are unrelated ton one another, and using them to paint a picture that the rank-and-file will eagerly absorb. Unfortunately, they always color outside the lines.

  • March 28, 2014 at 9:44 pm
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    I have explained, in a reply to PureStrong Heart, why JWdom is, and always has been, rotten to its core.

    JW horrors and nonsense are still ‘saleable’, it seems to desperate communities in Central Africa, one of the few areas of JW growth.

    The increased awareness provided by internet access is making the JWdom product less easy to sell almost everywhere else.

    Even in its supposed ‘Knorr and Franz Glory Days’, the obscene JW product was only plausible and marketable to a particular type of vulnerable and negative person.

    All we have left, it seems, of the superiority of these old time pro WT bosses, is the memory of their public presentation.

    As a born in JW, you too deserve sympathy, for all that you were born in to an outfit that was enjoying its greatest growth period ever, with leaders who had, it seemed, a better stage presence than their successors, and none of the crazy bluster of Rutherford, their predecessor.

    It is to be regretted that that there ever is, or has been, a ready market for heroin, crack, flick knives and crazy cults, rotten to their core, who can only appeal to the vulnerable; who can only be remotely plausible to the tragically ignorant.

  • March 28, 2014 at 11:01 pm
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    I think both of us can look back on it as a sort of twisted social event. Assemblies were effectively the equivalent of a “Theocratic Disneyland”.

    I can recall the “Peace on Earth” International Assembly at Dodger Stadium. Getting there at 05:00 to secure seats in the shade. Bad cafeteria food in the big tent (green jello, baloney on Wonder Bread, and various unidentifiable delicacies). “Evil Slave” hanging out at the entrances, distributing fake Watchtowers.

    Most of my friends were between four and seven years older than I. Ergo, I was exposed to comparatively progressive ideas. Most of them were smoking dope, yet still attending meetings and assemblies. They appeared to still believe, or just couldn’t fully let go.

    By the time of the Divine Victor International Assembly (again at Dodger Stadium), I was letting my Mom know that I was sitting “elsewhere” and spent most of my time in Elysian Park, hanging out with my hippy-quasi-witness-buddies. The Society often setup speakers in the park, so that you could listen to the convention. Or, you could tune into the A.M. transmitter they set up and listen from your car.

    We spent most of our time laying in the shade, drinking beer, and listening to Frank Zappa and the Doors on 8-tracks and Cassette Decks in our cars (or rather, their cars since I wasn’t quite driving age).

    Odd, but I don’t think any of us really believed that the end was going to come in 1975 (my peer group, that is). I mean, we’d talk about it and it was always “out there” but I’m not sure about “deep down”. At the time (1973/1974), it seemed that every little thing was a “sign”. Every night with Walter Cronkite giving us the Vietnam body count, put us closer to the end. Even the Watergate Hearings were a sign that the end was nigh. I can recall my Grandmother saying; “how can things get any worse”. She lived until 1985 and things weren’t so bad by then.

    I think most, or many, just want to believe. The indoctrination is probably the most sophisticated aspect of the Society. In some respects, converts are morphed into some bizarre form of “Theocratic Manchurian Candidates”. Interestingly, the Society likes to mention “free moral agency” but they absolutely refuse to allow the rank-and-file to exercise any.

  • March 29, 2014 at 12:36 am
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    I think both of us can look back on it as a sort of twisted social event. Assemblies were effectively the equivalent of a “Theocratic Disneyland”.

    I can recall the “Peace on Earth” International Assembly at Dodger Stadium. Getting there at 05:00 to secure seats in the shade. Bad cafeteria food in the big tent (green jello, baloney on Wonder Bread, and various unidentifiable delicacies). “Evil Slave” hanging out at the entrances, distributing fake Watchtowers.

    Most of my friends were between four and seven years older than I. Ergo, I was exposed to comparatively progressive ideas. Most of them were smoking dope, yet still attending meetings and assemblies. They appeared to still believe, or just couldn’t fully let go.

    By the time of the Divine Victor International Assembly (again at Dodger Stadium), I was letting my Mom know that I was sitting “elsewhere” and spent most of my time in Elysian Park, hanging out with my hippy-quasi-witness-buddies. The Society often setup speakers in the park, so that you could listen to the convention. Or, you could tune into the A.M. transmitter they set up and listen from your car.

    We spent most of our time laying in the shade, drinking beer, and listening to Frank Zappa and the Doors on 8-tracks and Cassette Decks in our cars (or rather, their cars since I wasn’t quite driving age).

    Odd, but I don’t think any of us really believed that the end was going to come in 1975 (my peer group, that is). I mean, we’d talk about it and it was always “out there” but I’m not sure about “deep down”. At the time (1973/1974), it seemed that every little thing was a “sign”. Every night with Walter Cronkite giving us the Vietnam body count, put us closer to the end. Even the Watergate Hearings were a sign that the end was nigh. I can recall my Grandmother saying; “how can things get any worse”. She lived until 1985 and things weren’t so bad by then.

    I think most, or many, just want to believe. The indoctrination is probably the most sophisticated aspect of the Society.

    In some respects, converts are morphed into some bizarre form of “Theocratic Manchurian Candidates”. Interestingly, the Society likes to mention “free moral agency” but they absolutely refuse to allow the rank-and-file to exercise any.

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      Great description, Apocalypsis, of the of the tension between the long haired hippy hedonist and the short haired killjoy JW, especially when they are mixed up in one person!

      • March 29, 2014 at 9:12 am
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        Exactly, the Divine Victory example was typical. Kids of “elders” that play it really conservative in public. Real toffee nosed prigs, at the Hall, bong in the car.

  • March 29, 2014 at 2:26 am
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    I demoni vjeruju u tj znaju za glavna ucenja ali ih to ne cini bozijim slugama . Pitanje je ko je sve umijesan u vodjenje te organizacije ? Zasto ? Pa razmisli dali je ona puna i okultizma sa tim stalnim molitvama za hranu , put do sastanka , izbor odluka kojekakvih , pa pocetak i kraj sastanka , pa za proucavanje publikacija itd itd . Sve te biblijske istine pomjesane sa “pogresnim ocekivanjima” tj lazima ne cini ih povjerljivom bozijom organizacijom .

  • March 29, 2014 at 7:47 am
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    @Rowland Nelken

    You are right!! JWdom is, and always has been, rotten to its core!

    For exemple, in one publication they will say:
    *** w00 4/15 p. 17 par. 17 The New World—Will You Be There? ***
    If you are a parent, these words will touch your heart: “They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; […].” (Isaiah 65:23, 24)

    For JWs, that will happen in the New World, that’s why they prey on our children lives… but I wonder how it will happen when on the other hand they say they will not have SEX in the New World.

    *** w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers ***
    After that final test there will definitely be no marrying or being given in marriage then by those counted worthy of the new world and having the right to eternal life, just as angels have that right. But even before the gaining of the everlasting new system of things these ones brought back in the resurrection of mankind do not marry, because even prior to the final test they are children of the resurrection. Their being debarred from marrying and being given in marriage does not wait until their names are written in the book of life and they are counted worthy of the everlasting system of things. (Rev. 20:12, 15) By the time they return from the dead through a resurrection paradise will have overspread the earth and the token fulfillment of the procreation mandate will have been effected by the Armageddon survivors and their offspring. (Gen. 9:1; Matt. 24:37; Luke 23:43) That work will have been accomplished by those of the “other sheep” class now living and who survive Armageddon. They are not precluded from marriage and childbirth by the words of Jesus at Luke 20:34-36, since they never die and hence are not children of the resurrection.

    Does anyone know what use Jehovah’s Witnesses will make of their GENITALIA in the NEW WORLD?

  • March 30, 2014 at 7:57 pm
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    A faith based on blackmail and threats is no more a faith then communism.

  • March 31, 2014 at 4:00 am
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    Imperfectmagu

    I appreciate your honesty. It was one of the reasons after many years I just had to “fade Away” I couldn’t deal with it anymore and I could not teach it to others bc it just isn’t true. All the regular flip flopping on teachings and the “weird” ideas they kept coming up with was to much for me anymore as I watched people just OBEY what the WT said without any thinking. I have a JW friend who lives in Sweden and we would talk often. About 8 years ago I told him I thought there would be a mass leaving of JW’s from the ORG over the 1914 teaching bc as I saw it they were lost and did not know what to do about it anymore since it obviously had failed with their understanding of it.Then last year the nonsense NEW LIGHT they claim about generations over lapping each other , bla, bla bla makes no sense and no other dictionary explains a generation like that was the beginning I think of JW’s waking up and many leaving? Brothers and Sister that gave their lives and energy and taught this for decades and now they are told it is not true so just be patient and wait another 100 years or so? It isn’t the fact that they or we as humans can wait on God bc he has his own timetable. It is the FACT that we were told and taught without a doubt it would come true and told to preach it to others as GOD GIVEN truth! Of course they would never admit they are wrong or apologize for anything. Even Harold Camping apologized for predicting May 21 2011 as the end of the world.
    The WT would do bettr if they just came out and apologized and admitted that they are wrong. It is called “repentance”.

  • April 1, 2014 at 9:56 pm
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    Someone witnessed to me at school, and it took me nearly 20 years to recover!!! So I can tell you first hand how evil it is to pressure kids to witness to their school buddies, not from the perspective of the poor little mite who gets paid out on for being a bible nut, but as one of those sucked in by it.

    That’s the other side of the coin: I was what they called a ‘school witnessing success story’. Spare a thought for not only the kid who was indoctrinated into preaching to her schoolmates, but for the poor schoolmates who got sucked in by it!

    And of course, that kid witnessing at school led me to what you say at the end of your video, where I went along with an organisation told me to do, walking up long driveways in the stinkin’ heat, and thinking ‘even if it’s not the truth…’ Thanks a bloody lot, that kid at my school!!

  • April 2, 2014 at 4:50 am
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    to Julia Orwell:

    I had a similar experience. When I was in High School a former hippie turned JW witnessed to me and I fell for it myself. I started college but was pressured to quit and go preaching bc THE END was Imminent! I walked up a lot of driveways myself thinking the same thing? I hope you have come out of it OK and have a measure or more of happiness now? It is amazing how our minds can be programmed from ORGS and Cults! There is a recovery time, some it takes years and some just months . How are you doing your recovery?

  • April 2, 2014 at 5:17 am
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    earthly hope 1935! let’s not forget that because it’s the carrot everyone pursues.

    the BIBLE does not speak of it in the manner that is being preached. It was the second presidents’ brain child

  • April 2, 2014 at 5:21 am
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    (just adding my bit to Nelkens’ comments March 27)

  • April 4, 2014 at 10:33 pm
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    The Bible is so filled with contradiction, that it’s simple for faith groups to find support to justify widely differing practices. I wrote a blog on the topic last week. The King James Version was used, sorry.
    CREATION ORDER     Genesis 1.                              Genesis 2
    Creator.                                Elohim.                                     Yahweh 
    Day 1.                                      Light.                              Man created from dust
    Day 2.                                    Sky.                                    Garden of Eden
    Day 3.       Land, plants, trees, vegetation     Trees (knowledge good&evil, life)
    Day 4.                            Sun, Moon.                                     Animals
    Day 5.                            Birds, Fish.                        Women from man’s rib
    Day 6.        Land, animals, man&woman.      Story-serpent, fruit, expulsion
    *Gen 1-every seed bearing, EVERY fruit bearing tree on the face of the earth was for Adam and Eve’s food. No prohibition on the eating the fruit of any tree.
    *
    *two separate stories that are incompatible 

    BIRTH OF JESUS
                    Matthew 1-2.                                          
    A-Mary & Joseph engaged after Mary becomes pregnant
    B-angel tells Joseph that child is from the Holy Spirit
    C-Jesus is born in Bethlehem 
    D-Wise men follow star to Bethlehem
    E-The wise men meet Herod
    F-The wise men go to see baby Jesus
    G-Joseph is warned in a dream that Herod wishes to kill Jesus
    H-Joseph, Mary and Jesus flee to EGYPT
    I-the family returns when Herod dies
    *no census, no manger or angels in the sky, shepherds or trip to the temple
    **there is no confirmation of any procedure requiring a person to return to their birth town just to be counted,  a true bureaucratic nightmare

                   Luke 1-2
    A-Mary conceives by the Holy Spirit
    B-Mary and Joseph journey from NAZARETH to BETHLEHEM for the census.
    C-Mary gives birth to Jesus in a manger 
    D-the angel announces the birth to shepherds who go who go to see Jesus
    E-Mary and Joseph take Jesus to the temple in JERUSALEM
    F-They return home to NAZARETH
    *no wise men, no magical star, no Herod or flight to EGYPT

    ** the two stories are separate they cannot be harmonized

    SAUL ON THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS
    “Do you hear what I hear!”

     And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE BUT SEEING NO MAN. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. (Acts 9:1-8 KJV)

    And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but THEY HEARD NOT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SPAKE TO ME. And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. (Acts 22:6-10 KJV)

    Let’s play “WHICH ONE IS CORRECT”

    #1 Q-The Age of Ahaziah when he became king?

    A-2 Kings 8:26.   Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign…
    A-2 Chronicles 22:2.  Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign…

    HUH?

    #2 Q-Was Jesus the only one who ascended into Heaven?

    A-YES, John 3:13, And no man hath ascended up to Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even the Son of Man which is in Heaven.
    A-NO, 2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven.

    HUH??

    #3 Q-Did Michal have any children?

    A-NO, 2 Samuel 21:8, Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
    A-YES FIVE, ….and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul. Whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillon the Melolathite:

    HUH???

    #4 Q- Did God ever tempt anyone?

    A-NO, Let no man say when he is tempted, I AM tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
    A-YES, Genesis 22:1, And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

    HUH????

    #5 Q-Has anyone seen the face of God?

    A-NO, John 1:18, No man hath seen God at any time…..
    A-NO, Exodus 30:20, And he said, Thou canst not see my face:

    A-YES, Genesis 32:30, …..for I have seen God face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend.
    A-YES, Exodus 33:11, the LORD spake unto Moses face to face…..
    A-YES, Isaiah 6:1, ….I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up,…..
    A-YES, Exodus 24:9-10, Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadah and Abibu, and SEVENTY of the elders of Israel:…..
    A-YES, Acts 7:55-56, But he, (Stephen) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 

    Jesus said what?

    Matthew 5:43-44, …I say unto you love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you.
    Luke 6:27-29…Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them that curse you and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee  on the one cheek offer also the other,….

    But then—
    Luke 19:27, But these mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and SLAY them before me.

    • April 4, 2014 at 10:54 pm
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      Art Fern, indeed interesting questions. I had some more to add.

      – If Moses was the writer of the Pentateuch, who wrote about his death in Deuteronomy 34 ?

      – About different possible “sources” of Pentateuch, here is a theory : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

      – But also : Why Jesus’ bloodline was so important to mention if eventually Joseph didn’t father him ?

      – Jesus said about the resurrected ones like “angels of heaven” and don’t marry, in the context of a woman who married different men who each died before having a child, in Mark 12:18-27. How can this support Jesus’ own conception ? How would this align to the Nephilim accounts in the Old Testament ?

  • April 5, 2014 at 5:43 am
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    I just thought of this best life ever really? Nope. Just like being in school(group) if you are different you get picked on and label and called names if you do not follow what everyone else in the group thinks you should be doing. Irregular, Inactive, Spiritually weak, low hour publisher, Spiritually immature, bad associations(for wanting to get higher education), apostate(mentally diseased) for not believing everything and etc if you want to do things a little different then the rest of the group. No were did Jesus belittle anyone, he only condemned the self righteous religions leaders and we know why he did that, because they were lording it over people.

  • April 6, 2014 at 3:20 am
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    Dear Brs, if you don’t quit speaking about Satan’s Organization you know what the consequences will be. I mean, you could end up getting kicked out, losing your family, losing your job (if you work for one of Beelzebub’s minions) and into the bargain, no one (not even your family) will speak to you again.

    I mean, spying on families, stealing women’s panties, JW Cops sitting in on the Book Study Group with their balls hanging out of their shorts, can these examples be found in the bible as to how one should behave?

    Would Christ have acted in this fashion? I think that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Cult have no idea of who Christ really is. The one they preach and teach is certainly not the one in the Bible, and on that premise, Paul said that they would be cursed for preaching such a doctrine.

    Best life ever? My arse it is

  • May 5, 2014 at 5:09 am
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    WOW, can you believe that assembly program???
    you might as well have the heading
    ‘How to live the life WE approve of’ or die trying…
    omg where is the bible topics?
    any mention of Jesus in there?
    how can one NOT see where thats going? its all so negative.
    much to my mothers dismay, ill never go to another assembly again with her. she older and always expects me to drive. i cant stomach it. negative negative negative.
    and my mom wondered why i grew up so negative? seriously?
    gee lets see what i as a child and young adult [years ago] ‘heard’ at meeting…. and from my moms twisted thinking.
    [im sure youll spot the difference!] oh btw, please go relieve yourself first…
    all people at school that you think are nice kids, arent [because they dont love jehovah].
    all people who dont love jehovah are going to die no matter how nice they are.
    were going to be persecuted one way or another.
    were going to loose all our worldly posessions.
    after armageddon we have to clean up the mess of bones and damaged earth. [and wont that be wonderful?]
    all people have evil intentions if they arent witnesses.
    all churches are the antichrist and evil and take your money.
    everyone is out to get you one way or another
    dont get involved in any school activity at all youll miss meetings and be in the company of evil people
    [those same evil people we preached to]
    the ymca is a false religious organization
    all thrift stores are run by false religion [goodwill salvation army red and white ect]
    tv is owned by rich jews [i warned you to go pee] [gee unless she was right!]
    the mob runs half the government
    all church functions are only to make money for the church coffers [not to get people together to have fun]
    free church meals for the community are membership drives.
    we cant use the kingdom hall for anything other than meetings and a wedding or funeral ceremony, because wed be like christendom and be using Gods house for ‘pleasure’ and thats wrong.
    [so no one ever did anything ever anywhere where i come from]
    the jews killed jesus
    jews choose wealth over God thats why they left Gods favor.
    [i guess killling jesus wasnt good enough]
    the nwt is the most accurate bible on the planet
    dont get confused by reading other bibles
    you cant wear pants at meetings because things would get out of hand [whatever THAT means]
    beards are bad because they make brothers look like a bunch of rebel gang members and bikers.
    [Because men is suits with beards cant be trusted]
    [yet mustaches are ok]
    mormons tell thier young people to go out door to door as a ‘break in period’ to place pamplets get new members, then they dont go anymore.
    Ive talked to many inteligent people and none of them know about the bible.
    [I have never known my mom to ever even have a biblical conversation or any conversation with so much as an elder]
    the society has to keep track of everyones hours otherwise they wouldnt know how many people were coming in the truth. [ God cant be bothered with that trivial matter]
    people cant get disfellowshiped for disagreeing, they cant be for just ‘anything’, theres always more to it. [wow ignorant much?]
    well,you can write the society and they will be glad to answer any question you have.
    [her famous segway to get off a subject]

    omg i can go on and on.

    • June 15, 2015 at 7:20 am
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      I’m sad for you

  • October 7, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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    Honey, you should live your own life… so sad that you are here writing ugly things of these people who do no harm to you, let people be jw if they want to and if they dont want to let them be, but you are spending 24 hours of your 7 days waiting to see what they publish in their page than taking care of your life. btw you look really dumb on your videos, GET A LIFE!!!!! Nobody cares what you think, you are not important for the world to continue orbiting hahaha

    • October 8, 2014 at 1:25 am
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      Why Kathy, should anyone stand by while theJW organisation damages so many lives? Too many have died through the murdeorus edicts on blood transfusion. Too many families have been wrecked through the orders to shun apostates. Too many paedophiles are protected by the two witness rule. Too many nightmares have been endured through the horrendous Armageddon nonsense. Too many lives have been diminished by the frowning on higher education. Where there is evil it should be exposed and eliminated. The anti JW campaign will continue until JWdom is utterly transformed or eradicated.

  • October 8, 2014 at 1:26 am
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    Kathy, “honey” we would love to get on with our lives, but being shunned by those you love does tend to put a dampener on happiness.

    It would be wonderful if people who didn’t want to be JWs anymore could just “get a life” outside and get on with living, but the shunning law means one cannot leave without serious consequences!

    What a lovely little Christian Sister you are, Kathy! Calling people dumb looking was a frequent tactic used by Jesus and the Apostles…..no, wait, they didn’t insult people, did they? So why do you you think it’s ok to do it, Kathy?

    Why don’t you provide answers to Cedars’ questions that reveal him to be the bitter, twisted, obsessed person you believe him to be? I know! Why don’t you take on the Cedars Challenge? If you succeed this website and all Cedars’ videos will be deleted!!! What a mighty witness for Jehovah’s sovereignty that would be!

    I look forward to seeing your erudite and scolarly dismissal of all apostates soon.

    Peace be with you

    Excelsior!

  • October 8, 2014 at 4:03 am
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    Kathy “Honey”, I printed out your comment so that I take it apart, sentence by sentence and reply intelligently.

    First of all, you are offensive in your comment when started out by saying “Honey”. When you say “honey”, you are condescending. Do you know what condescending means? This is the meaning: assume an air of superiority. So, right away, I am asking your rank in life that you can be condescending and to to whom are you taking this air of superiority to? Who or what comment exactly are you responding to? Was it to Chatpal’s comment? Was there anything in Chatpal’s comment that you can prove wrong? If you are talking about somebody else who looks stupid on some videos, who exactly are you talking about that looks stupid? And what does looking stupid on a video, have to do with the argument that you are addressing and what is the argument that you are arguing about? I have no idea what your point is, what it’s about and who you are or what you are trying to point out and who you are looking at in some video and obviously comparing yourself as to looking a lot better than this somebody, whoever that is in some video.

    “When you say that this somebody who we have no idea who or what you are talking about is writing ugly things of these people who do no harm to you”, I’d like to know what comments made it appear that anybody was making ugly comments and about what people? And assuming that this somebody, who we have no idea who you are talking about is spending 24 hours a day waiting to see what “they” publish in “their” page”, what does that mean? Do you know this whoever we are supposed to know who you are talking about is supposed to be spending 24 hours a day, obsessing about “their page”? Are you around this person 24 hours a day to see what they are doing? And then when you say that “Nobody cares what you think and then to say “you are not important for the world to continue orbiting hahaha”, who are you to make such assessments of another person in such an ugly, mean way? What is your motive in this comment and who exactly are you and what is your objective in making such a condescending and ugly comment?

  • October 12, 2014 at 2:39 am
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    Hahaha I read posting rules and it made me laugh. I cannot link to any Christian site like the Jehovahs witnesses site. I cannot speak of anything religious that would impose one opinion over another (like in the article against JW) and not say anything blasphemous also. Well I think it would be easier to write:
    “No one can speak up for JW or defend their teachings or link to their websites. Only more bashing allowed”
    Haha I suppose this comment won’t be allowed as well. ;-)

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      Sorry to disappoint you, “Noone,” if martyring yourself by heading straight into our blocked list was your aim in making this comment. The painful truth is that we ENCOURAGE Watchtower defenders like yourself to present evidence in support of their beliefs. It is for this very reason that the “Cedars Challenge” below was issued. The trouble is, in the month since I made this video, no response has been forthcoming. Maybe you can be the first?

    • October 12, 2014 at 6:16 am
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      Well Noone- Will you be the first? I have asked countless believing and practising JWs, on this site and elsewhere to provide evidence that the WT Governing Body is in fact ‘The Faithful and Discreet Slave’ as referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24. It is this claim upon which the entire authority of the WT bosses rests

      None has ever supplied any evidence.

      There is a reason for this.

      There is no evidence.

      The claim is bogus.

      As a student of the Bible, Noone, at your Theocratic Ministry School you are no doubt aware of Jesus’ statement: ‘By their fruits ye shall know them.’

      Here are the principal fruits of the 135 year ministry of the Jehovah’s Witnesses:

      1. Deaths (since 1945) through the ban on blood transfusion.

      2. Split families through shunning of apostates.

      3. Protection of paedophiles through the 2 witness rule.

      4. A string of duff prophecies about the date for Armageddon.

      5. Rank hypocrisy through the United Nations affiliation until rumbled by the Guardian newspaper.

      6. Stunted lives through the frowning on higher education and the ban on a range of social events like birthday and CHristmas celebrations.

      7. Serial doctrinal flip flops.

      8. Nightmares about the proospect of an imminent Armageddon executing all non JWs and JWs who do not do enough preaching work.

      Any rational observer would see straightway that the fruits of JWdom are uniformly rotten to the core.

      Please, Noone, enlighten us if we are mistaken. Please rise to the Cedars challenge and present evidence that JW TRUTH is really true.

      I was a JW as a child, and my experience and subsequent studies have revealed no wholesome fruit whatever can be gained from associating with the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      Please advise me if I have missed anything, and put me right if any of the ‘fruits’ I have listed above are in error.

      If, however, you are anything like the countless other JWs who have posted on this site, you will have nothing to say in defence of your transparently odious, damaging, misery making and indefensible cult.

      Whether you slink back to your Kingdom Hall and desperately try and convince yourelf that JW TRUTH is truly truthfully true truth, I do not know.

      WHat I do know, however, is that believing JWs on this site make a great contribution to the undermining and exposing of your grubby little corner of Christendom. Casual and curious visitors will note straightway that JWs are not equipped to defend the indefensible.

      P.S. I know you guys are drilled, at TMS, with the fiction that JWs are not CHristendom. Yours is but a late 19th century Adventist spinoff, hence an integral part of CHristendom and of the world. You are also Creationists, FUndamentalists and Protestants, Once you start studying your ugly little outfit, you will understand this.

      The choice is yours noone. You can fritter your life away as an unpaid mag pusher for a publishing and property corporation which cares nothing for you beyond your ability to enhace its capital value.

      Or you can start some real studying and release yourself from bondage. Best wishes!

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        Get a life

    • October 12, 2014 at 9:51 am
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      Well Noone – you have been given the go ahead. Let us hear your defence of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Show us all, including Cedars, why JW TRUTH is true.

      Convince us that, instead of warning the world about the paedophile protection, the duff prophecy, the split families through shunning, the social isolation through the forbidding of society’s usual celebrations, the stunted lives through the frowning on education and the unnecessary deaths through the murderous blood transfusion ban, we should be declaiming the good things about the Watchtower Society.

      This site, and dozens like it have been formed, and are multiplying, because so many of us who were in the Jehovah’s Witnesses, have known only the bad things about the organisation and feel it our duty to warn the world.

      This site, as you have been told, is open to JW believers to defend their faith and proclaim its benefits. You, Noone, are one of dozens. None has been able to present any good aspects of the organisation, let alone demonstrate that there is any truth in JW TRUTH.

      Could it be that they had not paid sufficient attention at their Theocratic Ministry School? Might they be less than skilled at proclaiming the Good News of the Kingdom?

      Maybe you, Noone, can do a better job. Maybe you will convert us all, including Cedars and this site will close down.

      It could not surely be that JW TRUTH is not entirely true.
      Could it be that there are no other ‘fruits’ of the JW 135 year ministry other than those I have listed?

      The door is open Noone. Without a convincing reply, informing us all of the true and Godly nature of JWdom, all you will have done, Noone, is be another voice helping to undermine and expose the Watchtower as the cruel and destructive cult that it so clearly appears to be.

      If you do not return, we certainly owe you our thanks in helping the campaign to relegate JWdom to history, and to no more than a tiny, and quite sordid, footnote in the 2000 year old story of Christendom.

  • October 12, 2014 at 6:03 am
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    No-one,

    My my, you do a lot of laughing, don’t you?

    I do not share the joke, no one.

    You have a strange sense of humour.

    What is funny about child molestation and rape, no one?

    What is funny about encouraging women to stay with an abusive partner and be disallowed to divorce and remarry “in the Lord”, no one?

    What is funny about causing severe emotional and psychological harm by shunning, no one?

    I’m not laughing, no one.

    Why don’t you stop inhaling the laughing gas and answer The Cedars’ Challenge, no one?

    Peace be with you

    Excelsior!

  • October 12, 2014 at 7:10 am
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    Hi Noone. I am curious. Are you able to log on to jw.org and email them and will they answer your back? Are you allowed to leave comments on their web site? Cedars lets you post pro or against the JW religion which is a whole lot more than JW.org does.

  • June 15, 2015 at 7:13 am
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    You need to learn to do accurate research before you post these completely full of garbage articles. And also get a hobby. I feel sad for you that this is all you have in life, a website to bully people about their beliefs. It’s pathetic.

  • June 15, 2015 at 7:23 am
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    Also how can you talk about a convention you haven’t attended?? Your journalism skills are horrible. You might as well write for TMZ.com

  • June 15, 2015 at 7:26 am
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    Comment posting guidelines:
    ABUSIVE COMMENTS – Do not post comments that include swear words or may be considered abusive, lewd, blasphemous, obscene or threatening

    Everything on here is blasphemous! Now you’re site is just full of unhappy pathetic hypocrites

  • June 15, 2015 at 7:28 am
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    Comment posting guidelines:
    RELIGIOUS NEUTRALITY – Do not post comments that are evangelical in nature or may be construed as imposing one person’s religious beliefs (or lack thereof) over those of another

    REALLY???? Do you even read what’s on here? It’s like Satan himself owns this website.

    • June 15, 2015 at 8:20 am
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      Do you have any meaningful arguments to offer in defense of your beliefs, or is it just insults?

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