Yesterday I reported that an extremely sensitive Watchtower document, the Circuit Overseer Guidelines, has been leaked by a disaffected circuit overseer.
While reviewing the document for my article, I noticed frequent references to another document called the Personal Qualifications Report, or S-326. I was anxious to take a look, because it seemed to be a very invasive document essentially designed for informing on elders and high-ranking Watchtower personnel.
I wondered whether I could obtain a copy simply by asking for it, and that is indeed how easy it was to come across. Again, my sincere thanks go to the courageous individual who, despite being in such a precarious situation, is willing to risk sharing important information for the greater good.
The S-326 form is now available elsewhere online (NOT on JWsurvey), and can be found by anyone willing to put forth effort.
My fears that the document would be little more than a snitching form were soon validated. It would be difficult to imagine the Jesus of the gospels asking the following questions about one of his followers behind their backs…
- How is this person handling his current privileges of service? In which aspects of his assignment does he excel (e.g., teaching ability, organizational ability, oversight)?
- Does he enjoy and promote good relations with others? Explain.
- Do others view him as a zealous, balanced Christian? Explain.
- Could he serve more effectively in another location? Is he willing and able to do so? If so, where do you suggest?
- Have you observed any personal problems or circumstances that could lead to his having to leave his current privilege of service? Explain.
- Based on your own observations or information that has come to your attention, does he have any chronic health problems or other physical limitations? If so, please explain.
- Have you found it necessary to counsel him? If so, state the nature of the problem and how he responded. Do you view this as a disqualifying factor?
Most of the above questions call directly on gossip and hearsay in gathering extremely personal and potentially damaging information on someone without their knowledge.
Watchtower frequently prints material about the perils of gossip in its literature, usually aimed at insulating congregation elders from criticism whether unfounded or not. But further up the hierarchical ladder it seems circuit overseers have free license to share their “observations,” or divulge information that has “come to [their] attention.”
It should go without saying that just because Brother A perceives Brother B to have done or said something objectionable, this doesn’t make that perception accurate. There could be any number of extenuating circumstances that Brother A is unaware of, leaving him with only half the story. But Watchtower wants to hear these half-stories regardless.
Apart from overtly encouraging a culture of gossip and snitching in Watchtower’s higher echelons, the form also seems to flagrantly violate data protection laws in countries like the UK, where individuals have a right to be aware of information being processed about them.
As the steady flow of information coming out of Watchtower increases, I suspect there will be more disturbing documents than this awaiting our attention. But if S-326 is any indication, “Jehovah’s organization” is even more cut-throat and Orwellian than we may have previously imagined.
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It is no wonder that some circuit overseers use this to justify enlisting members of the congregation as his ‘spies’. We had a CO years ago who told the pioneers outright that they were “his eyes and ears in the congregation” (direct quote). It doesn’t take much imagination to see what this could lead to. As an elder I became a victim of the gossip that this encouraged.
This is a very true and valid point. I am personally aware of CO’s that have embarked on many a witch hunt, going through all sorts of social engineering contortions to get dirt on various brothers.
WS
I’ve head that many, many times!!!
It defies belief the culture of “reporting” on each other they foster within congregations and elder bodies, often over the most petty of things which are usually nobody else’s business, and yet child abuse still goes unreported – something else they actively encourage – to not report child abuse.
So the two witness rule that ignores battered wives and molested (raped children) does not apply when CO’s are observing ealders. What a cat’s game of lies! Borg is God.
It’s amazing that there are CO’s who are wide awake to the cult. I hope the CO who leaked this knows how grateful we are for the leaks. :-)
“Circuit Overseer Guidelines has been prepared to assist circuit overseers in carrying out their assignment … It should not be shown to others. When a circuit overseer or substitute circuit overseer ceases to serve in that capacity, he should destroy his copy of this manual and delete any electronic copies in his possession.”
We don’t know who leaked this “secret” Watchtower document. But we are probably safe in assuming that a disillusioned Watchtower cult member has deliberately disobeyed the orders of the Governing Body. These acts of disobedience will continue to weaken the Watchtower’s hold on its cult members.
The light gets ever brighter – thank you, who ever you are.
As a Non-Witness with ‘bot relatives, I have experienced the tremendous destructive power of this cult for over 50 years.
I wonder if there are Brave Souls that are staying in the “Organization” under cover to report the warped activities to outside those of the cult?
My Cousin told me that JW men in a car used to follow her and my Aunt around when they went to lunch – maybe this reporting form is their new way – no more tailing a person/s, just reporting what is suspected of a fellow member. Sounds more like KGB or Gestapo tactiks.
I have one JW older sister that has said and done things to me that would make a muckty-muck from the Watchtower high command blush. She has committed many ” get kicked outta the club” offenses according to the Shepard of the flock of God book, Chapter 5 copy that I have read. She still maintains the Piousness Posture and a self-righteousness that is beyond belief. Thanks for finding and sharing another form/manual that exposes the truth.
big one this, there can be many more of these type of secret documents/manuals that haven’t been leaked, I suppose the last remaining one would be GB members manuals if such a thing exists
Can anyone out there give me a valid reason why such information is vital to them and how in God’s name such info builds up the congregation? Seems to me the gathering of such information could build up a profile that could be used as evidence against an individual when the wolfpack turn and are baying for blood. This snitching culture has no place in attempting to expect god’s blessing it is petty , nasty and agenda ridden. Having said all this when they have finally culled all the undesireables from the perfect profile of what fits, What will be left, is a box of reptiles and they can eat each other then we will all be happy. Ruthlee
one other thing, the devil has work for idle hands. and boy! are those pioneers idle. The only work they do is with their jawbones , tittle tattle all day long. gossiping about things they have no business in. It is one unholy mess. Has anyone been in the KH when you hear the buzz of the congregation in full chat mode. Many will assume its the joy but it is not, it is the rabble of a market place , and the meat market is called the Shambles. That is what I see and hear. ruthlee
Inquiry 15 is extremely private, does he have any chronic health problems or other physical limitations? If so, please explain.
“Wordly answer”:
So we can kick you out of the positionyou hold and give it to a younger person. Sorry we do not give health or dental insurance.
Funeral money? Not here, all the money goes to the new resort upstate New York.
So you are in direct contact with a CO who is disgruntled?
Can we expect more leaks through him in the future?
So basically nothing is based on fact, it’s all based on subjective opinion. The pets get a pat and the ones looked down on just get further trodden on. No wonder the culture of advancing elders’ kids is so prevalent!
It just reeks of nepotism. If you’re in with the elders or CO, then you’re in the game for further “opportunities”.
Also, since it’s such a secret form, I guess their victim wouldn’t even be aware of the info being gathered on them.
Makes me wonder what’s been kept on file about me at the different congregations…. Infuriating!
I had the experience of a CO attempting to elicit damaging information from me about a family member. The CO kept one family member aside while an elder quizzed me. At first I didn’t realize what was happening, but when I did I could not let that go. He (the CO) got an earful from me. Somehow I managed to not get in trouble over giving him the what for. He did a lot of damage throughout the circuit and eventually was released from his assignment. That’s probably why I was not approached about my actions. Anyway personal experience they do indeed solicit gossip and look for dirt, otherwise known as a witch hunt.
Regards
Good, I had to reach out toward being deleted as MS. I had got overwhelmed with the increasing filth about the organisation. It’s alsi the most strategic way for me to fade away slightly undetected.
Stop the presses,
“17. For what additional privileges might *he* qualify at this time?”
___Circuit overseer’s *wife*
___District overseer’s *wife* (defunct role I believe?)
[reaching for smelling salts] I knew that CO’s wife having large hands was off!
Ha Ha Ha – loved that one!! Whoever designed the form had a crisis of pigeon holing and decided to rather not rock the boat.
I guese in WT eyes Holy Spirit uses gossip and spying to See who gets to be servants, elders, ex.. What a crock
You’re exactly right Clay!
This was the very fact that opened my eyes; when I realized there was no ‘holy spirit’ appointing elders or directing them.
I’m actually surprised that not everyone knew about forms like this one that was just leaked. Every form that you ever had to fill out to go to Bethel, to go and do construction work or even use the bathroom by yourself, asked you questions of the most personal nature. Questions like: Have you ever had homosexual thoughts? Have you ever engaged in homosexual actions? You were in effect, snitching on yourself.
Then there were the red-hot letters and phone calls when people moved from congregation to congregation. Anything that a nasty elder wanted to ‘kick you in the butt’ with as you left, could be done in secret. It was like East Germany with everyone telling on everyone and secret dosiers kept on people.
I thought only the airlines sent your baggage along with you on departure, but as you described, elder recommendations trail after you even if you move from one personality conflict in a congregation to a new congregation. But, just as one elder’s word could sink you in the new location, just think this is the same system that fostered the coddling of molesters from congregation to congregation. The lawyers need to file subpoena gathering the forms (or whatever predecessor existed at the time) to document the proof that elders knew and when they knew it.
Hmm, a shredder grows in Brooklyn?
Pretty rank on the ‘rank and file!’
Keeping secret files on JWs how dreadfully awful. Damn, those Nazis are unstoppable in their ‘snooping!’
I remember how we were told to basically ‘snitch’ (spy) on each other and tell an elder if we saw someone doing something, ‘in-Christian’.
Oh, here he is brother, that one I told you about who watches that bad program. I was told by a Pioneer, I shouldn’t watch particular TV programs. I was quite new and that made me feel so so bad.
Just to clarify, this report is only used for those who are special pioneers, missionaries, bethelites, or graduates of the evangelizers school.
The org likes to keep special tabs on these folks because of their propensity to blindly follow. But also because the amount of information given to them is enough to be a thorn in the side of the org should they ever defect.
There was a CO that filled out mine in front of me. I graduated from one of their special schools. Thankfully I now know that it’s the short bus kind of special.
Chia, there is tracking on all levels, those who have “reached out” do receive a more thorough and detailed review, but r/f also can have paper or gossip trail of recommend or diss following them also. If elders trip over an inactive in field or smell a former active, they will ferret out the most recently active congregation and request “details” from that BoE to determine if said person is d/f, inactive, or whatever “issue” to determine how to “treat” said person–shun, nag, or ignore. Spy it, label it, stroke or flog it.
Oh I’m aware of everything done regarding paper trails on all members in the congregation. I served as an elder for over 10 years served on special committees and received sub CO training (ALL A WASTE OF TIME) and a bunch of other cult BS. But this particular document is used for the uber dubs of the halls worldwide. The future leaders.
For the rank and file the publisher record cards do just fine. Along with any additional letters that are attached to that card. As for inactives that are found in the door to door work? I think witch hunt is a good description of what takes place. The elders goal is to find out whether this inactive person that they don’t know is still identifying him/herself as a witness. If they are then its time to track those publisher record cards from his most recent congregation and talk to the elders there. If he “sinned” and left his old hall before a judicial committee was formed then the new elders will put their helmets on and get ready to DISCIPLINE this SINNER!.
The release of these documents is such a gift to those of us who have left. It confirms that the witness organization is a cult/high control group and it also gives any doubters a reason to leave.
And the Lord said Thou shall not have independent thoughts, thou shall worship the Watchtower organisation with ones whole soul, mind and heart and the sheep replied with one voice “four legs bad two legs better”.
“Mr Winston Smith 2+2=5!”
A CO in the congregation where I belonged before becoming an “active apostate” gave a talk about “anal and oral sex” when visiting the congregation. I asked myself how such things could happen in a rural congregation in an area where that is not culturally accepted. Sadly, I later learnt from other members of the congregation that the CO was referring to me… The “gossip” was that my wife had told the CO that. Finally, before the court seeking divorce, my wife told judges lies beyond my imagination, elders inspiring her behind curtains.
Gossip is one of strong weapons the organization uses to attack some members of the cult, sometimes involving their own wives.
@Hakiz – (std disclaimer – avert your eyes if you’re frothing at the mouth over the upcoming “loyalty” conventions) So, this is another tactic of authoritarian regimes–enterprise, cult or high-control/influencing, which is to use “blind discipline/attack speeches” which the “inner circle” knows applies to which target. The target is either blind and unaware [I often was, and to this day my gossiping relative keeps giving out impression that I am involved in all sorts of immoral or unethical things–untrue], so when you realize you are being isolated and “shunned” (or marked) it is enough to cause insanity.
I keep this as a constant sticky note in my mind when the smiling “we’re here to welcome you back” sorts come calling. It takes considerable restraint lately not to unleash the inner beast and rip off their arms and beat them senseless in the same manner that they use an individual’s weaknesses and vulnerabilities to manipulate them senseless and numb [not to borrow from “Alice”].
But, bottom line what they’re doing is another form of “bullying” and “intimidation” which sends waves of nausea over me just to write it.
@Anonymous, I guess it was the same way Nathan got to know the whole saga of David’s house (2 Samuel 12:1-12)! Spying, spying, spying…
Gossip is rife between elders. They discuss an accused person behind his back, refuse to tell him what he is accused of, refuse to allow him to defend himself, discuss the matter with an appeal committee in secret without the knowledge of the accused, thus prejudicing the appeal committee, and so on. It’s worse than gossip – it’s slander.
These are the tactics of the Inquisition. The Inquisition is now outlawed and since WT has been ruled as engaging in ‘unlawful activity’ by the Irish Supreme Court it looks like WT will be outlawed too.
Do you know the details of this ruling from the Irish Supreme Court? I have not heard of this before.
WS
I sent the Supreme Court’s Decision to Cedars. John may be afraid that this material is confidential but it’s public. The ruling was made by both the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court. WT uses unfair procedures in their secret rules in that elders are instructed NOT to inform the accused of the case against him, thus he cannot defend himself. Also discussing the matter in secret with the appeal committee is a breach of the ‘fair procedure’ rule. There are other secret rules on top of these. Thus WT breaches human rights and therefore their activity is unlawful. I’ll send John an email but he may be worried about action from WT. My case was ruled statute barred but still good came out of it.
If you go to www. courts .ie, click on English, then click on home. In the search box write Moram and click on ‘Judgements and Determinations’ then click on search, The Supreme Court Determination will appear, 1st Oct 1015. There are additional documents available there too. Paragraphs 21 in particular are of interest. There is an error in that the Court thought WT did not hide it’s rules but I’m trying to overcome that ruling. Let me know if you have trouble finding it. Thanks.
I went to the mid week meeting last night with my dumb idiot for a sister. (I don’t really mean that) she is my identical twin and I love her with all my heart. It’s a joke. Last night the elder announced they will show a new video every quarter. The elder said the video shown last night will be shown during the local needs segment at all the kingdom halls. He also said the video isn’t on jw.org yet. The video was designed to make people cry. It had mood music. The video showed a woman die in a hospital and her daughter was arranging flowers in the new system of thing when her mom walked up and surprised her and they hugged. The people who made the video did a good job of getting everyone to cry. The Personal Qualifications Form is another way of them being manipulative. That’s all it is. Posturing and manipulation. It’s skin deep.
Just got back from that meetin with the silly emotional video .well i didnt cry i was just furious at the stupid rubish they now call spiritual food yuk yuk
OK, yes, it’s rubbish. Not to be confrontational but how does it make sense to willingly go to a meeting where you know what they say will be rubbish? Then complain that it was rubbish….?
“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer” – That’s why you go.
Jesus said “the two shall become one flock”. I’m pretty sure that means we ALL have the heavenly hope, not just the 144,000. No where in the Bible does it specify an earthly resurrection.
It seems to me that the Watchtower is frighteningly similar to the way the communist party operated in Russia. Keep records on everybody, encourage people to spy on each other, promote suspicion, accept rumour and gossip as fact when assessing if the member has deviated from the party line, loss of privileges, black marked in secret personal file. WAKE UP!
North Korean Communist Cult Party
gee, whats the attraction to belong to any religion when you are little more than a tissue for snot to the leaders?
how does an organization grow at all, if those in charge are looking to find fault with people?
it is no wonder there is such a need for ministerial servants and elders. who wants to be put on a virtual examination table to be xrayed looking for every tiny fault that are no more a fault than the one looking for them. who wants to have every free moment of their lives spent reading and repeating, the same repetitive useless baseless mindless information
what has happened to do unto others ? the damage to men who are placed in the position of a leader, must drive them to take antidepressants. I couldn’t be married to a man who would basically lay down and let others walk all over him like that. so so sad. what must ‘god’ think.
@chatpal – the astute leaders seeking to climb the JW career ladder don’t take antidepressants, don’t get counseling and therapy, or admit to doing it, because that would be a sign of weakness. in the good ole days, leaders drowned their pain with good fashion alcohol and wife abuse (physical, verbal and emotional), but now they just buy a gun and do murder-suicide on the children, wife and self.
Some leaders maybe think that if they stay in leadership and rise, rise, rise and float, float, float like corn kernels in a toilet bowl, they will be able to change the organization and improve things. The problem is that the organization creates its own “weather” and momentum through years and years of precedent written in literature, so even if ascend to the heights of the Governing Body any change is limited by the momentum of the movement and the risk of major defections if the change offends the hardcore Witnesses. And, major defections means a loss of revenue–can’t have that.
I’m willing to bet this circuit overseer is a former district overseer who got demoted with the rest of them. What goes around comes around, GB.
The Watchtower Governing Body members will become even more paranoid as the leaks continue to come from high places. The biggest leak of all time was the evidence provided by former Governing Body member Raymond Franz that proved the Watchtower was definitely not God’s channel of truth.
The Watchtower has always maintained that Jehovah is the best employer. The Watchtower has also proclaimed itself as being Jehovah’s visible earthly organization, equating all sacrifices made for the advancement of Watchtower interests as being synonymous with serving and pleasing Jehovah. But mounting evidence demonstrates that the Watchtower is nothing more than a religious fraud and many discarded Watchtower slaves are fighting back.
It will be interesting to watch as Watchtower leaders continue to turn on one another. “If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” (Mark 3:25)
@ScotWm. I am with you Scott but as much as I wish the tower would crumble Immediateley I believe they have so Much Money still and so much power that it will take a monumental event for it to crumble now. For sure there are BIG cracks in the foundation but he JW’s are very brainwashed etc and they drink the daily doses of the Kool aid. It would take something like 2 governing body member to resign and quit and pull a Ray Franz on them and expose the org for what it is. Or possibly major Court cases in the USA that is bled all over the media about the WT and child abuse and other things. Of course anything can happen and does happen like the Berlin wall coming down ( by the way I was there when it happened ) With the internet it is hard to see how anyone who is open minded can become a JW these days? There is so much info out there for people to make up there minds and see the truth about the WT and it’s history.
@Holy Connoli, they have other means of recruitment:
*** yb12 pp. 220-221 Rwanda ***
“All these events had a profound influence on my wife, who had, for the preceding ten years, refused to study the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now, though, she started to study the Bible. When people asked her why, she replied: ‘I was moved by the love that the brothers showed us and the sacrifices they made to save us. I also sensed the powerful hand of Jehovah, who saved us from the machetes of the killers.’ She dedicated her life to Jehovah and was baptized at the first assembly after the war.
A Hakizimana. Wow you went thru all that? Were you an active JW at the time? I am impressed if you went thru those times. Of course that is rare for the average individual to go thru that kind of situation. It isn’t something that happens often. If the Wt depended on those situations they would recruit few followers.
So what are you doing now? Obviously you are not a JW anymore as I read your comments quite often and your research is good.
Holy Connoli. I went through that and took a decision to disassociate in Feb 2012. From then on, I was attached by elders and COs who used my wife to attack me in all aspects of my life. I went through a serious psychological warfare with them.
After failing to blackmail me psychologically, they forced the wife (still active JW) and filed for a divorce case which they almost failed.
Today, I have been attacked in another way and next Monday (04/04/2016), I am facing a court trial involving a CO and a special pioneer. An Elder who was also involved died shortly after they have filed a case against me. I am looking forward to seeing how the judge will conclude the case.
This is a cult whose manipulations I master.
‘Cedars’ at his best. Thank you Lloyd once again for another superb piece of research. This is not ammunition to “throw stones” at the JWs but stresses the need for outsiders to be informed. Many Witnesses are happy to remain within the organisation because it gives them a sense of security from a hostile world which is soon coming to an end. We need to show them that there are people who care for them out there.
Let’s all repeat it again echoing Goffrey Jackson true statement: JW are not running a spy net on it’s rank members
“Do others view him as a zealous, balanced Christian? Explain.”
How does one find out such information? – By furtively probing,
encouraging others to gossip about him. And it doesn’t take a
lot of motivating to get the tongues wagging, sometimes non at
all as personal opinions are volunteered.
I’ve known families in my former cong, whose lives were made
so unhappy by unfounded gossip that they uprooted and joined
a congregation hundreds of miles away. But little good it did.
Within a few weeks a letter was received from their new cong,
asking for information about them. They were not pedophiles
but just normal families.
Where ever you go, once you become involved in this organisation
you can say good bye to your private life.
everytime you Cedar you show that you know only a little of JW and you don’t understand the purpose of WTBS. that why i can say that you cedar are always liying.
We’ve got an apologist on our hands here Lloyd! Love Baby’s abbreviation for the WTS though (I think BS is understandable in any language!)
Elders have free reign to “perceive” what they want about individuals so we shouldn’t expect any less from the COs. I myself have been on the wrong end of such “perception” in the past. Just hillbillies and their gossip, that’s what it boils down to. Woah betide any rank & file who does the same though!
Baby, so the leaked document is fake? The form is fake? How is he “liying”? LOL. He is presenting facts. Sorry you can’t see them. You are brainwashed.
Hi Baby, I’m glad you’re on our web pages. You might learn something! :)
Now don’t put baby in a corner…. just curious though hun, why do you stick around if you don’t like what you read?
I think Baby is still here because she has her doubts but it’s still trying to rationalize it all. But just closing your eyes doesnt mean the sun isn’t shinning.
Greetings to all,
Hello Baby,
You may have a point, however, you must prove your allegations. Or everyone will think you in pain, and venting out. Many of us (exjws) have gone down the same path.
We feel your pain – denial. We get that.
We heard you and now please hear my perspective.
Why would the god of the cosmos choose a small group of unschooled, untrained Bible students? Knowing, the out come at the end of the day – millions and millions would lose their lives. Is this the same god – known as the god of love?
The following reference material is from Wikipedia – list of Christian denominations by number of members:
1.) Catholicism 1.2 billion,
2.) Protestantism 800 million,
3.) Eastern Orthodoxy 300 million,
4.) Oriental Orthodoxy 86 million,
5.) Anglicanism 85 million,
6.) Nontrinitarianism 48 million,
49.) Jehovah’s Witnesses 7.5 million,
Does this prove the god of the desert doesn’t know “how to pick a winner”?
If the books of Moses are true – then the Hebrew god was a warrior – a blood thirsty god. He stole land from others, and took away many families.
Is this the same god of the new testament – the god of unconditional love?
Are gods actions logical and fair?
Consider a hard cold fact found in The Watchtower Corporation yearbooks. They claim membership growth increase of 1.% annually for several years.
Would you continue to buy stocks or options with a yield return of 1.% annually? I hope you would not!
In fact you would due ‘extensive research’ on companies, ” P/E and Cash on hand, and recent registered patents” to evaluate projections for growth. To take a – sound of mind decision.
Perhaps, the god of the Hebrews knows little and chooses a loser (JWs).
Perhaps, the figures from Wikipedia shows the Hebrew god really doesn’t have a purpose. (Please god don’t pick my lotto numbers).
Who really is the lair – god with no purpose in choosen the WTBS aka The Watchtower Corporation, or Cedars Jwsurvey – The No Spin Zone,
Its true or its not?
Peace out,
Please learn to spell.
Does a person have chronic health problems? Well I begged the Lord to remove the thorn of bad eyesight 3 times from me but he said my undeserved kindness is sufficient for you! So Apostle Paul had to put up with chronic health problems ! But Jehovah still used him in the most advanced way possible . Would the Apostle Paul have been approved for privileges in today’s Watchtower organisation ?
I do feel a small tinge of pity , or maybe not ?for these Elders & Circuit Overseers. Boy ! Form Filling gone absolutely crazy ! Is this true Christianity or just a High Control Cult ?
Poor “BABY”,
If Baby has spent as much time in the “Truth” as the rest of the participants on this site and did some research on his/her own they would come to know the truth about “the truth”. Unfortunately for Baby, that takes work to look up that information for themselves. Besides, why invest your time when Jehovah’s organization will give you what information you need (what they want you to know) when you need it. (Sarcasm)
Baby, please be assured that we are glad you found us and you will learn something. You may not agree but that’s alright. Not all who participate on this site are dis-fellowshipped or rabid “mentally diseased apostates”. Your comments will be welcomed here at this forum. If someone had told me, the son of a presiding overseer, that I would have faded from the “truth” back in the mid-60’s I would have laughed in their faces.
But here I am Baby, over 55 years later. Big Brother free and Watchtower free! Please look things up for yourself and take nobody’s word for anything. For two reasons: 1. you will benefit from the research that you do yourself, 2. you will see for yourself that the organization that you are so enamored with is a sham and has no more of Jehovah’s holy spirit than any other man made cult, Christian or otherwise.
Keep on searching for truth Baby with an open mind. You will find it if you keep searching. I promise.
Thanks again Lloyd for all of your hard work.
This is on a different subject but in reading over the “special” talk outline I couldn’t believe the following statement: “We should be willing to change our beliefs when presented with evidence.” There has to be a mole in the writing dept. to make such a shocking admission. How did this ever get by the 77? steps that are supposedly made before anything gets printed? Or was everyone high on the Kool-Aid that day?
This video shows perfectly my last few years
inside this death cult as mostly everything they push on the friends completely contradicts Holy Scripture
https://vimeo.com/127864444
Keep posting thisRobert67 because it speaks volumes and new lost souls need to see this as it will resonate. ta ruthlee
Hmm.. I wonder whether our informant is a 69-year old whose banishment to the dust bin is imminent…. kudos to you in any case!
OOF!!! Big brother is watching you!!!
I remember years ago when i was young and single, i went to a meeting at the DO for Bethal application, i got hold of an application form & doctored it up & sent it to a young sister & marked it “Bethal Application rejected’, siting reasons of homosexuality etc, great laugh, to be able to fake so much inside the mother ship proves to me its fake, the Witnesses are like chickens, they start picking & get a taste for blood & keep pecking until they kill, how can u trust a current Elder or CO, you can’t
Apparently the form allows them to recommend brothers for the lofty position of… Circuit Overseer’s Wife (Question 17). How very progressive.
Matthew 7:1 where Jesus said not to judge others is one of the most ignored verses by JW leaders.
The average JW does not realize how much elders and CO’s are watching them and talking about them and their families behind their backs with other elders.
Elders meet 1 month before the CO visit, they judge the brothers and their families to see if they qualify for more “privileges”. They talk about the brother in question, analyze his wife and children as well.
Again during the CO visit with the elders they judge and talk about you behind your back.
When you move from Congregation they meet again to judge the family and determine what to write about you in the letter of presentation. This gives them the opportunity to write anything they want to your new Congregation. When an appointed brother moves, he is very vulnerable as it becomes very easy for him to lose his privileges. There is no appeal system in place if they decide not to recommend you. The CO cannot get involved and usually doesn’t care what they write to your new Congregation. This also gives the elders the opportunity for revenge as the standard to continue serving in a privilege is lowered to a great extent.
Being watched, analyzed, & categorized is normal day to day MO of the JW organization. Those with more privileges live in a stressful state because they can never be themselves. They have to constantly watch their backs about what they say and do in the presence of other JW’s as everyone is a potential spy and backstabber.
Even people in the territory are being judged as either: “not interested,’ opposer’ apostate’ do not call”.
Hi there,
You’re assuming the elders don’t know about this form. Do they? Have you checked into it?
Also, how is this invasive if they know about it? (Hardly seems invasive to me, rather a progress report). Surely someone would approach an elder afterwards and tell him what kinds of questions the overseer was asking, right? Meaning they most assuredly know about it.
I would view something like this as more of a protection for the congregation, a ‘checks and balances’ system if you will. If there’s something an elder should NOT be doing, this form will probably be instrumental in helping the OS find out. That’s also another reason why there are more than one elder in the congregation, they work together as a team….no one person should be in charge of everything. As a matter of fact, the governing body changed from one head person being in charge to a body (not sure how many there are tbh), so I think that makes a pretty powerful statement.
How many people are ULTIMATELY in charge at the Vatican??
Food for thought, my friend.
BTW, I have been disfelloweshipped for over 20 years now. Seeking to get reinstated soon. I would love to discuss anything with you about the organization (to the best of my knowledge) and beliefs.
Best,
-Will
Will – Sounds like you are a true believer. That’s the beauty of the United States of America – all the freedoms; speech, choice, religion, expression, assembly, peaceful protest. Just a friendly bit of advice; the freedom of thought – make sure you are worshiping God vs “The Organization” before you re-commit.
Petty. Hypocritical backstabbing gossipy behavior. Nothing new here. I saw many brothers A destroy brothers B out of jealousy. Brothers A’s of course wouldn’t call it jealousy… But it is…and dont even get me started on the poisonous destructive gossipy behaviour of the “sisters”
Hi Lloyd,
Your site is brilliant in its simplicity.
I admire your intellect.
Best wishes
John J May
A proud ex “Elder”
Hello to all.
Paranoia reigns supreme amongst many that are in watchtower`s thrall. Snitching was rife while I was in its grip. It is KGB like but mostly lacking hard evidence. Supposition, assumption and innuendo along with jealousy would be the modus operandi employed by watchtower snitches. Like watchtowers claim to “divine” backing, solid proof is not required to ruin someone`s life. Gossip is rife among watchtower adherents. Looking for crumbs from those in charge is the big motivation for snitching. It is my opinion that watchtower is a snake pit and the more paranoid it becomes the better chance of it collapsing.