Two absolutely jaw-dropping official Jehovah’s Witness videos have just been leaked.
Intended for audiences at the religion’s various headquarters around the world, known inside the religion as “bethels,” the two videos lay out in excruciating detail a series of rules and regulations regarding clothing, sex and masturbation that all Bethel workers are required to obey.
One of the videos is intended for men, and is narrated by high-ranking Witness Leader Gary Breaux – the overseer for the Governing Body’s Service Committee.
The other is intended for women, and is presented by another Governing Body helper, Ralph Walls.
Both videos are combined below with commentary by JWsurvey founder Lloyd Evans. The full-length, unedited videos are also available and are embedded later in this article.
These videos are astonishing in three respects:
Firstly, for how awkward and hilarious these videos are to watch due to the way the information is delivered by the speakers. Their delivery is so earnest and Poe-faced that it turns the moment when they discuss the dangers of Bethelites having sex with pillows into some of the funniest footage I’ve seen in months. (I’m not joking about the pillows. Trust me, we’ll get to that!)
Secondly for the sheer absurd and inappropriate nature of some of the laws and claims made, laws that are either deeply damaging for a person’s mental and sexual life, or just simply so bonkers they make you laugh.
Thirdly for the quite frankly terrifying level of totalitarian and pharisaical control these videos showcase as demanded by the religion from its followers, and the ugly level of bigotry on display to members of the LGBTQ community.
I’m going to outline below some of the most astonishing claims made and rules laid down by Breaux and Walls so that you can quickly grasp both how absurd and almost hysterically funny these videos are, but also see how they illustrate the terrifying level of totalitarian control that Watchtower demands of its followers.
I’m going to cover the video intended for males for most of the article, as the female video covers the same material. However, the female video is extremely problematic in its own right, so we will take a look at those extra concerns as well.
The Threat of Homosexuals Who “Blend In”
In his video, Breaux spends a lot of time instructing Witness men not to wear tight clothing. He outlines the need to:
…avoiding tight-fitting clothes that can identify you with homosexuality. What kind of clothes are we talking about? Some outfits are designed to feminize a man’s appearance as homosexuals try to do, especially displaying the buttocks and genitals.
This isn’t anything new for Watchtower. In recent years they have repeatedly instructed their male congregants to avoid “tight pants.” Indeed one of the religion’s leaders, Tony Morris, has become infamous for his long and sometimes rambling public tirades against the evils of tight trousers, which he regards as part of a homosexual conspiracy.
However, this rather strange fixation on tight trousers becomes especially awkward and excruciating to behold as Breaux continues to dwell on why tight pants are so subversive and evil:
it makes it harder to tell the difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual man, making homosexuals blend in.
This is just utterly bizarre.
Apparently, Gary Breaux and the JW leadership think of gay people as nefarious scheming predators who need alter the fashion sense of innocent heterosexuals to allow them to “blend in” and walk among us undetected. Breaux seems to be lost in the time-warp of some absurd and bad-taste 1970’s comedy show where gay men strut down the street dressed like members of the Village People with a tiny poodle on a pink leash, and thus can have their sexuality instantly identified visually.
I’ve got news for you Gary; members of the LGBTQ community ALREADY blend in. They are human beings who blend in with all the other human beings walking down the street just like them. They look just like normal people because they ARE normal people.
It gets worse from here. Later in the video, Breaux makes the following absurd claim:
At times you may find yourself struggling with same-sex desires or you may realize that others are doing so. That doesn’t mean that you or they are homosexuals but it does mean that you have to keep on guard.
Hmm. Well, whatever you need to tell yourself to get through those communal Bethel showers, Gary. Turns out denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. However, it gets more specific. Breaux later says:
Consider a situation. A group of single brothers has a meal together and after most leave two of them remain behind in the room drinking alcohol. At one point the one asked the other if he has ever woken up with an erection. Their conversation starts to touch on sexual matters. Are they flirting?
Their conversation can arouse sexual desires in them even though they are the same sex. This could easily lead to comments or curiosity about each other’s bodies.
Don’t deceive yourself thinking this could never happen. Keep in mind that alcohol tends to lower your inhibitions and can make thoughts that you’d normally suppress or view as repulsive seem acceptable; even inviting.
So firstly, is it just me or does that sound a bit too specific to be a purely theoretical scenario?
Secondly; Gary, those guys are gay. You are trying to paint this picture of alcohol turning pure and clean heterosexuals into perverted gay sinners, because you are unable to accept the fact that some people are just gay, and that being gay is fine.
If this is indeed a reference to a real event that took place at Bethel, as I suspect it is, I feel so sorry for the two Witnesses here whose sexuality was so repressed and crushed down by Watchtower’s repressive, bronze-age morality that it could only come out once they were utterly drunk, and that afterwards Watchtower had trained them to be so full of self-loathing that they felt compelled to seek out JW elders to confess and be judged.
There are actually a lot more of these “male locker room” scenarios in Breaux’s talk, and he outlines all of them in exquisite detail, each time stressing the danger that otherwise “normal” heterosexual males are in if they let a towel slip a bit too much, or turn their back on a lurking, hidden, homosexual.
Breaux wears Watchtower’s bigoted view of the LGBTQ community on his sleeve later in the video, referring to homosexuality as a “perverted practice,” and then saying: (Bold is mine)
Satan is waging war to influence people’s thinking on the subject of homosexuality. Jehovah hasn’t changed his view on the matter. Some israelites allow the nations around them to contaminate them with homosexual desires and practices. If you go to Romans 1 verse 24 note how Jehovah reacted toward those Israelites.
Watchtower views homosexuality as a “contamination,” and Breaux here refers to a scripture which relates how God allowed the nation of Israel to be destroyed because it entertained “uncleanness,” re-iterating Watchtower’s teaching that homosexuality is a sin deserving of death.
Lastly, as if there was any doubt in the mind of his audience, Breaux tells his audience: (bold is mine)
Homosexuality is unholy and repugnant to Jehovah and he will not tolerate it among his dedicated servants does your love for Jehovah move you to have the same view?
Watchtower has railed against the LGBTQ community before, such as in their now infamous “Caleb and Sofia” children’s cartoon which gained widespread condemnation, but not often does it wear its sneering homophobia so openly on its sleeve.
But we’ve only just begun. Because Breaux is about to dive into a section of video that we at JW Survey have come to refer to as…
The Masturbation Monologues
Let’s be very clear on one thing before we start.
Nowhere does the Bible ever refer to masturbation.
Even in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, where other matters of sex are laid out in excruciating detail, there is not one mention of the practice. Nonetheless, Watchtower has for many years condemned masturbation as an obscene practice and this video is no exception.
Here, Breaux again issues a condemnation of masturbation, using the vaguest and flimsiest scriptural justification to do so. However, in a move I’ve never seen Watchtower pull before, he then goes on to recite a long list of very detailed scenarios and then plays a “Masturbation: Yes or No” game with his audience!
I’m not making this up, I swear!
With a really off-putting, over-earnest tone of voice that renders the entire exercise both hilarious and awkward, Breaux lays out scenario after scenario. For example, he asks:
Does a person have to use their hands to masturbate? For example say a brother wears an undergarment that’s so tight it rubs his penis as he moves around. He gets aroused and even ejaculates. Is he masturbating?
Any guesses? Well, the answer is:
Yes he is because he’s deliberately stimulating his genitals, even though he’s not using his hands.
Or how about this one.
Does there have to be an orgasm for it to be considered masturbation? Suppose a brother starts rubbing his genitals against a pillow. He gets an erection but stops before having an orgasm. Is he masturbating?
Again, is it just me or are these scenarios oddly specific? Are lots of Bethelites having sex with their pillows? And how did this epidemic of pillow-boffing reach the attention of the Governing Body? Do they check bed-linen with a blacklight or something? Or is there a long line of crestfallen and guilty-looking Bethelites shuffling into the offices of the Governing Body, driven by conscience to confess, clutching a somewhat forlorn and dank pillow to their burdened chests?
Anyway, the answer is apparently:
Yes, again, because he’s deliberately stimulating himself whether he has an orgasm or not.
So that’s clear. Pillows are off limits. Let’s try another one.
How about having an emission of semen at night maybe even after an erotic dream. Is that masturbation?
Answers on a postcard, and the winner is…
No, Jehovah made that a part of a man’s reproductive system and it happens without any deliberate stimulation.
Phew. You’re off the hook guys…
…except you’re not because Breaux goes on to say the following:
but even so when this happens to you it would be good to examine whether you were dwelling on sexual thoughts before going to sleep. Could you have been sleeping in a position that stimulated you, such as with a blanket or pillow held tightly between your legs? If you’re honest with yourself about these matters it will help you to avoid falling into unclean practices.
Yes. You read that correctly.
It is now possible to sleep in an unclean position!
You can’t even decide for yourself how you sleep now!
There. Are. Sleep. Rules!
Ahem. Okay, I’m calm now.
Breaux then goes on to warn that a Christian cannot be holy whilst “under the influence of masturbation,” which is a phrase I don’t think I’ve heard used anywhere before in any context, but is somehow hilarious, especially when he delivers it in his over-earnest, serious manner.
These scenarios continue as we move out of the realm of the masturbation and into the realm of “porneia”
It Takes Two To Be Disfellowshipped For The Tango
Watchtower has long held that sex outside of marriage is fornication, or as they term it in this talk “porneia.” Jehovah’s Witnesses who commit “porneia” will be thrown out of the religion and completely shunned if they are deemed to be not sufficiently repentant, and their doctrine holds that fornicators will all be killed by God very soon when Armageddon comes. In this video, Breaux defines porneia as:
Sexual relations involving persons not married to each other. It includes acts such as oral sex anal sex and masturbating another person. It always involves deliberate manipulation of the genitals and at least one other person or animal.
Now, let’s set aside that this isn’t necessarily the definition of the Greek word “porneia” that other scholars accept (the original Greek word actually just meant prostitution – see here for more details) and take a look at what Breaux has to say about the “manipulation of the genitals.”
Take one of the scenarios discussed here.
Does manipulation of the genitals always involve the use of the hands? Not necessarily for example suppose a brother pays a stripper to perform a lap dance that lasts several minutes she grinds her clothed genitals on his leg while he’s fully clothed. He becomes aroused but doesn’t ejaculate.
(Well I don’t know about you, but that was quite graphic and I’m a bit turned on, which I’m not sure is what Breaux was going for…)
Was that porneia? His genitals aren’t being manipulated and he’s not touching the woman’s genitals with his hands however he is committing pornea by allowing her to use his leg to stimulate her own genitals.
So presumably, as long as the strippers make no contact, it’s okay? I’m glad to know that Watchtower has thought long and hard about how long and hard a stripper has to work the client before God gets angry about the whole affair. Maybe that’s why Tony Morris looks so hot and bothered these days…
However, this does raise another question, specifically about skin.
Can there be porneia without skin-to-skin contact? Say a brother lies down on top of his girlfriend while both are clothed and they simulate having sex. Are they committing porneia?
What do you think everyone? Is Jehovah happy or sad?
They have their clothes on but the genitals of both are being manipulated so they’ve committed porneia whether a climax is reached or not.
Awww. Jehovah is sad, and they didn’t even get to climax. Poor show all round. And incidentally, Breaux goes on to state that this also outlaws any dancing where genitals might get “moved” or contact through clothing as well.
So no sexy close dancing for you anymore.
Shall we do another one?
What of the following situation? Two brothers masturbate in front of each other but without touching each other. Is it porneia?
What do you think? Surely that HAS to be porneia. I mean if a bit of clothed dancing can be porneia, then naked gay masturbation must be far worse in Watchtower’s eyes…
The answer is no since neither is touching the other person. However it is a flagrant disregard for Jehovah’s laws and a serious sin that has to be addressed by the elders.
Wait a moment.
So let me get this straight.
A couple fully clothed rubbing groins together but not climaxing is porneia and a sin for which they are destroyed, but two guys getting naked and masturbating in front of each other until they both ejaculate is less serious and not porneia?
I’ll run that by you again.
A couple fully clothed, dancing groin to butt, a little bit of friction, no climax, is porneia.
A couple stark naked, frantically masturbating, both climaxing…well you’re in trouble but it’s not porneia. But don’t make it worse by dancing sexy fully clothed or anything, coz that’s REALLY serious.
It should hopefully be clear by now that these videos are reaching levels of pharisaical insanity that are absurd even for Watchtower. I’ve even had to leave out a number of other crazy scenarios and rules that Breaux lays down, because I want to get to something that’s even more unsettling about the whole affair.
The other video.
The one directed at women.
Female Sexuality Is a Male Accessory
In some ways, the video aimed at women is a copy of the one aimed at men. It’s given by Senior JW official and governing body helper Ralph Walls, and he covers many of the same topics as covered by Breaux. But there are differences, some of which are very telling.
In the video for “sisters’ there is a much heavier emphasis on dress and grooming. Women are banned from wearing short skirts or dresses that come above the knee, low cuts tops, or anything deemed “tight” or “revealing.”
Walls repeatedly makes statements that amount to the same thing; that women are basically objects of temptation to men and so carry an obligation to cover up. He even quotes a very old Watchtower from August 1st 1969 that states how: (bold is mine)
Christen women are obligated not to dress provocatively.
Although Walls at one point makes a token statement about how women cannot be held accountable for what men think, he then makes many other statements that imply the exact opposite. He speaks repeatedly of how a “sexy” appearance is unacceptable and unfair to any poor innocent brothers who look at them, even quoting one male Witness as saying of women dressed outside of Watchtower rules:
“I personally find it rather hard to think only pure thoughts about younger women when I see the way they dress.”
So women; it’s your fault that the old men at Bethel are leering over you. You can’t possibly expect them to take responsibility for their own thoughts upon seeing a pretty girl in a summer dress. You must therefore surrender control of your wardrobe and appearance because an old man is scared of the way he feels when he looks at you.
Not only does this manifest an unhealthy desire to control a woman’s appearance to conform to a rigid “modesty culture,” it also manifests a particularly ugly victim-blaming mentality that Watchtower has displayed on more than one occasion. They once even claimed that children need to “dress modestly” to avoid sexual assault!.
However, by contrast, masturbation is only briefly discussed, which Walls refers to as “self-abuse.” This is extremely odd; in reality, women are just as sexual as men and enjoy (and benefit from) masturbation just as much as males do. In fact, for some women, masturbation with a sex toy may be the only way they can actually achieve an orgasm. Thus, you would expect Watchtower to extend the same paranoia and lengthy lectures about the practice to women as well as men. However, these topics are given only a glancing blow in the video.
Likewise, there is only a passing mention of same-sex issues for women. Contrast this to the long discussion of male same-sex issues in the Breaux video. It suggests that Watchtower either doesn’t think female same-sex relationships are a thing, or that they are not worth talking about much because they don’t impact men as much as gay relationships do.
Ultimately this demonstrates something very obvious about Watchtower’s view of sexuality; It is all seen through the lens of men, and female sexuality is only discussed or focused on insofar as it impacts upon men. Indeed, the very fact that this video about female sexuality is being presented to an audience of women by a man is an obvious proof of this.
Which is no surprise once you are aware of Watchtower’s strict male-only hierarchy. The word “patriarchy” gets thrown around a lot today, but Watchtower is an organisation where actual genuine patriarchy is fully alive and kicking.
A Lone Woman In A Room Full Of Men
All this leads us on to one of the most awful moments of all in the videos. After his lecture to women, instructing them as to how they should confirm their sexuality to the decrees of the eight old men who run the religion (the Governing Body), Walls says this;
What should you do if you now realise that you need some assistance? Please, take advantage of mature sisters or the elders. According to James 5:14-15, these men are Jehovah’s arrangement to raise us up.
Here is where the rigid patriarchal nature of Watchtower’s sexual regulations becomes even more troubling; women young and old are required by Watchtower to approach a male elder if they have violated of any of the rules and regulations set down, and then give that elder detailed intimate sexual information so that the elder can “counsel” them. This will almost always be done in a closed setting with at least two elders.
So a woman will have to disclose detailed sexual information about herself to two men. It should be clear from the outset how invasive and inappropriate this is – indeed many accounts exist from former JW women of how sometimes the elders they spoke to appeared to be getting aroused by what they were being told, pressing for more and more detail of the “sin” in a lurid manner. As a related issue, you can review the findings of the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse, which found that the JW practice of all male elders interrogating a female sex abuse survivor was deeply unacceptable..
Now let’s be very clear about something. Whilst Walls says that a woman has the option to turn to a “mature sister” instead, this does not mean that the “sin” can be delt with without male involvement. If a woman in the JW religion confides in a “mature sister” regarding intimate sexual habits, then that “mature sister” is obligated to report to the male elders if there is anything “sinful” in what she has been told. And those elders are then obligated to hunt this woman down and demand any and all of the private sexual information that they feel is relevant to the “case” against her.
In short, there is no way for a JW woman to comply with the instructions Walls gives without being required to discuss intimate personal sexual details with male elders. Additionally, this woman will have been indoctrinated to believe that if she does not speak to the elders she will be destroyed by Jehovah God.
Watchtower Exposed
Amazingly there is yet more to the video that sheer time restrictions prevent me from properly covering here. For example, both videos attack the disgraceful practice of “flirting” and draw up a set of rules and regulations to govern the interactions of the sexes.
According to these videos, just complimenting someone’s haircut means that they are entitled to think you are intending to “court” them. Yes. Seriously. These rules are so absurd that they turn the already difficult and fraught task of JW men and women interacting with each other into a minefield of “do nots” and “sinful signals.”
But overall these videos demonstrate the following things.
- The repressive and sex-negative worldview of Watchtower, where sex is a deadly thing draped in guilt and secrecy that men aggressively seek and women must grudgingly ration out, rather than a sex-positive view where sex in an awesome thing for consenting adults of all sexual orientations to enjoy, and where women are just as capable of wanting and enjoying sex as the men.
- The crazy, micromanaging pharisaical rule-making that is growing ever more frantic inside the religion, which now even extends to include acceptable sleeping positions, and views some types of dancing as more sinful than naked mutual masturbation.
- The awful patriarchal system in which women and some members of the LGBTQ community are trapped, a system which either considers their sexuality only relevant to the extent that it impacts men, or considers it repellant and a contamination worthy of death.
- The fact that this video got made at all indicates that some really interesting things are happening at Bethel. Seriously, those endless scenarios feel too specific to be totally made up. I think we just got a list of some of Bethel’s greatest sex scandals!
And lastly…
- These videos are hilarious.
The transcripts are wince-inducing enough to read, but once you see the actual footage it becomes sublime. Watching Breaux and Walls struggling their way through this clunky and poorly written script full of graphic sexual imagery and ultra-specific, nonsensical sex rules, all delivered in a poe-faced, earnest “holier than thou” tone of voice makes for one of the strangest, funniest, and most jaw-dropping media moments Watchtower have ever created.
I’m raising a glass to all who were involved in the making of these two videos.
Thank you for showing us the crazy, controlling, bigoted heart of Watchtower, and for giving us so many laughs while you did it!
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JEHOVA says “In some African cultures, it is considered obscene to mention such sex-related words as penis, semen, or menstruation. One Christian mother even forbade her daughter to use the word “sex,” though she said the daughter could use the word “fornication.” (Read w98 2/15 p. 8)!
Can anyone tell whether the same videos are consumed in African Bethel Families? If yes, aren’t the videos considered obscene?
If you read the page of the article, you will understand that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t agree with the taboo of talking about sex, as mentioned in the article, in page 8.
this website owner will be sued oneday for copyright violation
What about the content of those crazy mental videos though?!! If WT is more concerned with suing this website for copywright violation (when there is none) than addressing the 2 witness rule with regard to child sexual abuse they have their priorities WELL wrong! And that says more about how disgusting WT is than anything else.
On top of that these videos they have spent time and donated money on are completed sex mad and crazy and shows what is on their minds all the time because they are forcing such unecessary, unnatural, unhealthy sexual repression.
The society should be sued for all the damage its done. This website owner is doing the world a great service in teaching peopke the Truth about “the truth”. Think you should do some proper research instead of blindly believing what the society tell you to believe. Then “knowing the real truth will set you free”.
O M F G !!
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As far we “Western population” goes like that… We are not better than Muslim Extremists…
Thank you, A, for making the comparison to muslim extremists. I for one, am tired of hearing stupid Westerners screaming about how the Big Bad muslims (eg. Syrian refugees (including children) fleeing for their lives) are plotting to establish their Sharia laws over here, while our dumbass “leaders” can’t – or won’t – recognize the atrocities and abuses and oppression being committed right under their noses by cults like Watchtower and FLDS. Shameful “leadership”. Where’s the “Time’s Up” for those child molesters?
And Thank you, CF, for such an entertaining (and disturbingly educational) article. If Monty Python were still active today, they couldn’t have come up with anything more ridiculous. This stuff just writes itself, doesn’t it? So is there now such a thing as a “pillowosexual”? Who knows? Oh well, it’s back to my porn videos. Nice to be free, isn’t it?
“And to our dear Sisters – NEVER go to bed with a vibrator between your legs!”
And they call US “mentally diseased”. WOW.
The GB are a bunch of dirty old frotters. And they forgot to put “f***-me” shoes on their smut-list.
It is funny and yet not what these desperate men will do to try to maintain a mere image of power and control in the congregation: http://www.watchtowercriminals.blogspot.com
“Many have perversely and conveniently abused 1 Timothy 5:2 “the younger sisters with all purity”, behavioral counsel given specifically to ‘THE CONGREGATION’ of old (regarding older and presumed married men) as an invitation to forgo an eternal Kingdom view. (2Corinthians 4:18) So as to commit egregious, selfish, intrusive and devastating crimes and Rights violations against of-age adults (male and female) who lawfully, scripturally and appropriately made personal choices regarding their intimate lives. (Philippians 2:21, 1Timothy 6:5, Ephesians 5:3) These deferred to bigotry, worldly customs, greedy personal jealousies and deviant perversions. (Isaiah 5:20, Titus 1:15, 16) It has NOT gone unnoticed! Or the marriages and families likewise interrupted! (Matthew 19:6)
I am wondering if the Videos could be in Harmony with some Bible verses like Deuteronomy 23:1 (NW) which reads:
“No man who has been castrated by having his testicles crushed or who has had his male organ cut off may come into the congregation of Jehovah
That’s my favorite verse: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Deuteronomy+23%3A1
@jado. Mine testicles got crushed once when I was playing catcher in a baseball game without my cup on! Ouch still hurts. I guess I don’t qualify to go to the congregation.
They sound like they’re talking to an audience that’s of pre-school age. That’s why it sounds creepy.
If you were to put a story book in front of him & lay in bed, you would think that he was reading a bedtime story.
“The Governing Body loves you”… eew, that just makes my skin crawl.
It’s a really special unique kind of love. Audiolove. You hear about it, every Sunday from the Talk, you just never see it or feel it.
You used to hear Christians say “Jesus loves you” or “God loves you”. To make the person who hears it feel special because the highest person in the universe loves them.
This is just another level of superiority they put upon themselves ever so subtlety. Why would they need to repeat that the Governing Body loves you? Except that it puts them in a godlike position.
Gwen Little. That’s a really good observation you have made. Also, the GB are like freaky parents who scold their kids and then tells the kids they love them. The kids get emotionally trapped by their domineering parents. The GB think they are going to be rulers in heaven, but they are exercising their muscles here on earth beating up the sheep and letting them know just who is the boss. Then adding insult to injury by telling them the GB loves them. And also the sickly superior way they say it. It’s all so totally insincere. The GB is the evil slave.
Having ‘private parts’ does not mean everything about them should be kept private. Aren’t Tampons, birth controls, contraceptives, diapers, underwear wash cloths& towelw, toiletw and bathrookm tissues etc. openly sold!
OK, had to laugh at 1) the idea of 2 bros masturbating each other, and even better, 2) the brother who minces around in Tight Trousers (not walk, you can only mince in that gear) that are so tight he ejaculates – hmm, nice damp oatch in front, large lump in front, how often does one see THAT in Bethel? Now what I found HIGHLY DISTURBING about that 36 min video. You mustn’t masturbate, or flirt, or get aroused massaging a fellow bro, or listen to sexual music….BUT WHERE’S THE COUNSEL AGAINST KIDDY-FIDDLING????
@ Peter the Digger,
There will be no council against “kiddy-fiddling” as there is no problem in that department. If you find this unbelievable just research what Governing Body members have said in the past about their non-existing problem. Stephen Lett’s talk on JW.org about pedophiles not being tolerated in the congregation comes to mind. However, that is exactly what happens when they follow their antiquated, Mosiac Law inspired, “two witness” rule. I thought the Mosiac Law was abolished with the death of Christ; obviously not, as they (the Governing Body) follow parts of it in their policies. Their own attorney spoke volumes when he told a courtroom full of people saying “we’re just like the Catholic Church.”
Truer words were never spoken! Pedophile problems world wide, abuses covered up, child molestation cases settled out of court for ten of millions of dollars, monasteries (Bethel) with a propensity for drawing sexual deviants in addition to alcoholism problems rampant, their adherents robbed of their futures with no end in sight, depression inside the organization in epidemic proportions and the list goes on and on ad nauseum.
Can it be any wonder why they are having these sexual do’s and dont’s masterbation videos made? They have the same problems all religious organizations do; but after all, “they are just like the Catholic Church” so why wouldn’t they have the same problems when they have copied them so closely?
All this conversation about self abuse should bring us all together and have a since “Master Debate” on this subject. lol
ROFLMAO
You can download the 2 videos using GetVideo.at website.
1. Brother’s video
2. Sister’s video
“The male ANIMAL has no season in which he is not willing to perform the reproductive act.”
There you have it folks – Watchtower believes in EVOLUTION!!!
NEW LIGHT!!!
yep, I sure as hell heard it. Evolution is in the bag anyway. Now all we need is for Christendom to admit that Jesus told a porker with his promise – ‘some of you standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom’ – Matthew 16 27,28. All those he were addressing died 2000 yrs ago so talk about WT and their ‘overlapping generations’, Christendom has been doing the overlapping generation bit since forever and they’ve had us too scared of god and social ostracism if we didn’t believe to even think properly. A Palestinian who died 2000 yrs ago is not going to get up and start talking.
Why be born again when we can just grow up.
The periodicity of the female, instinctively regulates copulation and reproduction.by being so designed. The natural world from the atomic scale upward is full of varied modes of regulating behaviors and outcomes However, societies emphasizing freedom of choice, minimal societal regulation of conduct, advertising and fashion propriety reaps the results degrading pornographic displays, sexually transmitted epidemics, annoying ‘noisome’, diseases, resulting from ill informed over consumption of hormonal [endocrine] disrupting beverage and chemically laden foods. And the manufacturers are seldom penalized.
Wait..did anyone else get turned on by all this?
I dunno ’bout you, but I think that pillow with the sexy lips at the top of the page is really hot. Where can I buy one of those?
The Assemblies used to have little stalls where you could buy books pamphlets etc. Not any longer so I guess you’ll have to go to the little shop they have a Bethel.
“Masturbation is the touching or rubbing of one’s genitals.”
“You may be browsing and notice some thumbnail images – A thumbnail image is a small image that may appear on your computer – A computer is an electronic device designed to perform certain functions or stream data.”
“Don’t go to bed with a pillow between your legs – A pillow is a kind of cushion made of fabric and foam or feathers for resting your head on when you sleep – Sleep is ……………..”
What a bunch of dicks.
I wonder if these videos were the New Guy’s idea. They should call him 8-Ball. Could be they brought him on board just to make themselves look smart, if that’s even possible at this point.
Q How do you confuse a GB member?
A Put him in a round room and tell him to find a corner.
Q How does a GB member confuse you?
A He finds one.
By the way, this joke also works if you substitute Donald Trump and the Oval Office.
A GB member will redefine a round room as a room with an infinite number of corners, using 4 John Ch. 8 vs 3. That’s not in your Bible? Mine neither, but the GB have a special one.
There is an old joke told to me by a gay friend. “What’s the difference between a heterosexual and a bisexual? About half a bottle of Tequila! Brrm tssh!
Excellent article, Covert! and Excellent rebuttals, Lloyd!
This was the most ridiculous video to see. They really are just making it super easy.
Upon further reflection, and after hearing the admonition from the Gov Body in the videos, I realize I probably I should have gotten DF at age 20, cause of the PORNEI that I committed with a then-current Bethelite (he was out for the weekend, visiting me), Woops!
Oh…and what was the deal about who these Bethelites are going to get lap-dances? Do they frequently go to the strip club, after field service? Haha.. found that pretty funny too.
Yes. As the GB is speaking for God, it appears that Jehovah doesn’t mind if Bethelites get their kicks in strip joints so long as they don’t get sexually aroused by any form of physical contact with their genitals.
@Foster. Goo d point Foster..Also if two brothers Masturbate in front of each other but DON”T Touch each other that is not a DFing event nor is it considered “porneia” I guess getting your rocks off in front of each other but not touching nullifies everything else . Rule Number 14, 1 b paragraph 7. From the book of weirdness chapter 5 vs 11.
Back when I was an elder there was a Brother who would go to strip clubs secretly and he even told me about it after I had faded. He was still a JW in good standing. He also wanted my son to bring over another lady to have a 3 way with him and his wife. Also told him to bring some Marijuana so he could get high and have sex w the 2 ladies together. This guy never got dfd although his wife left him for A WOMAN! Later his x wife decided she was not a lesbian and broke up w the woman and stared hooking up w married men.She did get dfd but he never did. Then he got a worldly lady pregnant and called me to ask how to get out of being dfd bc I was an elder for years. I tols him what to say and how to do it and he never did get DFD. To g his credit he did marry the woman he got pregnant and they had another child together. Now he I has calmed down due to stresses of life an all of a sudden he is “preaching: to me and telling me to come back and the end is near! SOS.
Please share this excellent comprehensive article:
http://www.ucobserver.org/justice/2018/01/jw/
That article is fantastic, it gives us information about the $66 million class action case in Canada plus information about further class actions. Keep them coming. The more class actions, the faster this abusive organization sinks.
Praise the lord and pass a pillow!
It is sad in this century people fail to realize that Jehovah’s Organization” is a “Skinner Box” (g78 8/8 p. 25) where it controls human (“sheep”) behaviors through various manipulations. Consider the following “conditioning”:
*** w14 4/1 p. 11 You Can Resist Temptation! ***
Protect your mind from being infected. A former pornography addict, Juan, says: “When I see an attractive woman, I often feel the urge to take a second and a third look. So I force my eyes to look away, and I tell myself: ‘Pray to Jehovah! You absolutely need to pray now!’ After I pray, the impulse soon fades.”
The rest of “sheep” will display the same behaviors after reading the magazine or Elders will follow the sheep to ensure they adopt the behaviors. It is sad “Sheep” are being subjects of experiments like rats in a “Skinner Box”.
My goodness, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. These 2 men have just confirmed what we all know goes on in Bethals. Another generation having their minds f—– up with watchtower’s warped attitude to sex & how to interact with each other. They really do just want robots that can be worked to death & adjusted when they feel it necessary (frightening). The back of a postage stamp has too much space to write what these 2 old half wits know about sex.
Watch George Lucas’ THX 1138.
” You know a man ain’t nothin without his” pillow! (Rick Derringer from Johnny Winter And)
I remember the instructions given from the platform, pre ~ convention on how to dress and act: the GB talking to grown men and women as if they were 6 year olds. Pathetic. Now, again, speaking to adults, the GB explains masturbation. It shows the love of respect the GB has for the maturity level of the rank and file. I am so thankful to have escaped this degrading environment. Vernon Williams Monett MO
Amen!
I remember an exceptionally attractive sister walking down the aisle
at the KH and an elder on the end seat nearly falling over to get an eyeful
of her lovely legs.
We’re all human, mammals, animals, without these natural impulses
non of us would be here, OK these feelings need to be controlled and
not allowed to result in psychological harm and unhappiness to others.
Significant harm results however when normal, inborn urges are
categorised as sinful and dirty. A young man, at the time recently married,
spoke to me about not being able to have normal relations with his wife
due to feelings of guilt about sex, Bible verses didn’t help him so he
sought professional help.
The last I heard of him he’s no longer a JW and has 3 grown up
children, the attractive sister a 35 year JW has recently woken up
and sent in a letter of D,A. Alas the rubbernecking elder has
shuffled off his mortal coil and is awaiting a re’emerging in paradise.
I have a feeling he’s gonna miss the good old days!
Nice to see you’re still around Ted.
great to hear your voice Ted cheers Ruthlee
Most feelings require degrees of control and regulation; whether with hunger or thirst and. avoiding junk foods and too much sugary desserts. Using eating utensils instead of fingers. Cooking with (stainless steel, ceramics and wrought iron is more safe than aluminum cookware. Best choices and discernment is necessary to stay healthy. Every civilized person uses other things to be healthy.and uses judgement to decide what are best overall results.
The antidote to 1984 is 1776.
Between Watchtower & Trumptower, it’s enough to make you believe in REVERSE evolution. Planet of the Apes, here we come!
Yes. A friend and I both got out after having served as elders some years ago. We thought the Witness mentality would be out of our life. Now we have fundamentalists with their fantasies making policy that affects us all. We have discussed this for the past several years and have seen it get worse and worse. Just as with the Witnesses, one goes from naively thinking one can do something about it to realizing there may be little one can do, except pay forward our principles to our friends and family. (Even those that won’t talk to us)
I found this great OLDSOPNG from 1963 by country western singer Connie Francis, it is called, “If my Pillow could talk”. Maybe the GB can make it mandatory for bethelites to listen to when they come to Bethel. You never know what a Pillow will say. Only your pillow knows.
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Connie Francis – If My Pillow Could Talk (1963) – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8XbkVVDkfk
HolyConnoli. When we were teenagers we would change some words of songs. Connie Francis had a song called Lipstick on your Collar, we changed it to Lipstick on your Penis ;)
Hi Outandabout. Yeah I’m still above ground and getting under the
wife’s feet, and on her nerves so she keeps telling me!
I keep looking in and haven’t missed one of your shrewd comments
or any of the great articles on the site, Lloyd and the other guys and
gals are obviously putting in heavy weight shifts to produce the
quantity and quality of info to be found here. I’ve been out of the org.
for 36 years but it’s only in the last 3 or 4 that I’ve got completely rid
of all the cobwebs, and JWsurvey has played a big part in that.
Regarding “Pillow Gate”, Walls and Breaux look as if they’d rather be
somewhere else, than sat there moralising on masturbation, trying to
look as if they’d never done it, and failing completely. Walls looks as
if he’s staring into the headlight of an on coming truck and beaux
seems to be struggling to contain a smirk.
But really! Sleeping positions have now to be considered so as not to
fall into sin, I can imagine Bethelites tossing and turning, ( forgive the
Freudian slip) in order to find a position where they won’t get excited.
What’s next? Diagrams in the WT, demonstrations on the platform!
Nothing’s ruled out, once you get people eating out of your hand
they’ll swallow anything.
I am a little confused about one item. The article says that masterbation is never mentioned in the bible but what about Onan and his spilled seed? G38 V9.
…perhaps it depends on whether your definition of “masturbation” is same as “tight pants Tony” and the gang….
Huh? I do not understand what you are saying at all.
It as the duty of the brother to provide an heir for his dead sibling. For whatever reason, Onan took his pleasure but denied his brother’s right to an heir. That was the offence. Masturbation may or may not have been the tool used to deny his brothers legacy but it was the act of denial that was the offence.
Pleas explain your comment I do NOT understand it.
Talking of spilled seed reminds me of the song Every Sperm is Sacred from the Monty Python film The Meaning of Life.
RIGHT EXACTLY. ALL Christians regard masterbation as a sin and it IS INDEED mentioned in the bible. What is this guy blithering about?
Then kindly refer me to the prohibition other then yet another assertion. Please. Rules, regulations and instructions are the Stock in trade of the OT in minute detail. You will without fail fall back to the old chestnut of genesis 38 wilfully ignoring the context. I don’t wish to be rude but you really would fit n well between Tony Morris and a Stephen Lett with a similar masturbation paranoia.
I went back and listened and read again. To say materbation is NEVER EVER mentioned in the bible is ignorant in the exrerme. I am an atheist but have known all of my life about Genesis 38 V9 and SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE. Why is this otherwize knowledgeable and aware commentator so ignorant on this subject? I am taken aback!
I really don’t think it is: Leviticus goes into grim and arcane detail with endless sexual prohibitions and rules. Genesis 38: 9-10 covers the specific duty to provide an heir to the line of a deceased sibling where that brother died before his wife produced a child. Masturbation had nothing to do with it the context was he preferred to “spill his seed on the ground” rather then providing his dead sibling with a heir. It’s as simple as that and while such an arrangement may strike us as pretty odd, it made absolute sense to that patriarchal society, where an early death of a young man in his prime was as shocking to that society as it is to ours.
I finally had to stop watching this video. I agree with many of it’s points but the host is SO ignorant that it is cringeworthy. Get someone with some knowledge to critique the videos as THIS guy is just lacking in basic facts.
If THIS is the standards used on this website for rational editorials I am afraid that they may be spreading misinformation all over the site!
Finally, if you simply disagree about the INTERPRETATION of Gen 38 as many do you should have SAID so rather than a blanket statement that “Masterbation is never mentioned in the Bible”
Not sure if my last comment will be allowed but I will reword it.
Gary Boyd, that scripture that you site still doesn’t mention masturbation. My understanding is that he still had sex with his brothers wife but he pulled out before his sperm was released. Like a form of contraception.
Gary, look again carefully at the context of Onan spilling his seed on the ground. He clearly performed “the pull out method” (therefore spilling his seed on the ground) at a time when he was supposed to be providing a child for his widowed sister-in-law and therefore broke the mosaic law. There were 2 things wrong with what he did, he denied his sister-in-law a child whilst also gratifying himself with sexual pleasure which was not the idea behind the arrangement. Masturbation is not mentioned in the Bible.
Oops, I may have gotten mixed up with biblical timelines, he broke God’s law anyways….
@Gary, I really think you have the wrong perspective of this site. Rather than be so critical, try to look for the positive. And remember, the writer of this article and us making comments are imperfect people. We are not inspired and are fallible. But we are trying our best. So no need to be bitter. Try to put this behind you and look to the future, when nobody will be masterbating anymore because Jehovah has opened his hand and satisfied the desire of every living thing. No more abused pillows. No more spilled seed. Everybody happy because Tight Pants Tony is now a king.
I think it is time for you to take some quiet time and pray, because we know we need our thoughts to be in accordance with the holy spirit before we write a reply on this site.
@Ricardo, Thank you.
20 years out, and glad to be free from this nonsense. What you sow, you shall reap :-)
Masturbation…it’s been observed in males of about 80 different species. Should these animals perhaps learn to read so that they may begin to feel guilty about something they do just for the simple pleasure of it and no more. Semen is no more sacred then spittle. This ‘every sperm is sacred nonsense’ comes about, as usual, by man imagining what some god he’s created in his mind would think. Or the churches wanting as many children from their flock as possible to help spread the word and fill the coffers.
The consequence of this dangerous sexual repression can be seen in the behavior of young Muslim men when they’re let loose on a village of infidels – they turn into repulsive animals, but that’s ok, god has granted them the right to do that and their consciences are clear. Uncover those women’s bodies a bit, show a bit of ankle, a neck line, and let those poor bastards wank!
We may think that we are not like those type of Muslims but let us not forget, Christianity and Islam were once very good mates who would have a drink together in the evening and boast to each other about how many infidels they’d slaughtered that day. Instructions which would allow us to slip back into barbarism are contained in the bible, ready and waiting for the right opportunity. So lets not be smug.
Islam is the extension of Christianity. Christianity is the extension of Judaism. All part of the same scam.
Then what is Judaism an extension of ? You’ve got me scratching my head now :)
Zoroastrianism
I have looked up Zoroastrianism on Google. It appears to have started around 3500 BC and is monotheistic. However the religion was not founded until around 600 BC by Zoroaster.
Before Zoroaster was on the scene it would have been impossible to call anything Zoroastrianism.
It appears that this monotheistic concept was around long before Zoroaster and he just made a religion of it.
I wonder if this concept had a name and was used as a religion before Zoroaster capitalised on it.
Maybe banning pillows is the answer …. after all, Jesus had nowhere to lay his head!!
Or maybe follow the Mormons in this one and make all the Bethelites wear strange, very unsexy underwear – definite passion killers!
But really, isn’t this just another example of straining out the gnat and gulping down the camel. PLEASE Watchtower give your downtrodden adherents some dignity in this one and let the personal things that go on under the sheets not concern you. Surely in order to get into Bethel in the first place, brothers and sisters should have a certain depth of knowledge and maturity in these matters, without having to deal with this perverse admonition.
They are practicing their total authority over JW’s for when they become kings in heaven.
Tight Pants Tony might appreciate this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/12/malaysian-newspaper-sinar-harian-publishes-how-to-spot-a-gay-lgbt-checklist
And one thing that really annoyed me was the term “self abuse”, somehow linking self pleasure to self harm. This very Victorian attitude has contributed to the sexually inhibited lifestyle of some and the secretive bizarre acts of others, the results become apparent when incidents of child abuse, suicide and mental issues rear their ugly head within the organisation. Watchtower – cleanse first the inside of the cup …. !
I’m laughing, not at the GB of the WT, but at you lot and this stupid write up. Do you remember the recording about cigarettes by some comedian. I think he called the man Walt, was that as in Walter Raleigh. Anyway it went something like. ‘You do what with it Walt’? ‘You put in in your mouth’. Then you do what to it Walt’ ? ‘Oh you set fire to it’.. Now that was a take about what you do with cigarettes, can you understand what I’m getting at ? It is so easy to misuse or misquote or misrepresent what someone means. And the writer here comes back with the same old same old rubbish about homosexuality. Look it’s simple, God hates homosexuality. It doesn’t matter what false religion, big time churches say. God hates homosexuality. Remember the word is homo-sex-uality. It is not homo-love-uality. It is not about loving someone, it is about having sex with someone. And it doesn’t matter if you believe in creation or evolution, the man’s human anus was not designed to receive the man’s human penis in it. In fact i think it has been proven from a medical standpoint that it can damage the man’s anus by having a penis or such object that represents a penus shoved up into it. As for masterbasation, the bible says ‘not to spill your semen on the ground’. Which would be the result of masterbation. Anyway enough, most of you won’t appreciate any of this but it’s been good fun writing it :)
Where in the Bible does it say ‘not to spill your semen on the ground’ ? Scripture please. So you had good fun writing your comment; something to be said about mental masturbation.
Another virtue signalling superfine apostle, very much in the mold of Jim Bakker though the way you screetched it bought Tammy to mind. You’re the obvious exception to inherent human imperfection as you’re perfectly happy to lob the first Stone. You do hypocrisy so well.
So where is the word “Homo-sex-uality” in the Bible?
Homosexualty is not Homo-love-uality it’s just about having sex??
So John Butler are you suggesting Heterosexual sex always an act of love?
Glad you had fun writing your comment, it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously then………….
After reviewing the videos, I have concluded the following: Watchtower has sex with pillows.
Such control is not dissimilar to the rigid control the Taliban n like organisations have over women..deciding how they dress (the top to toe black shroud for example) ..no one has the right to dictate on such matters…the bible is a guideline to follow but it is severely misused as a tool for control over people, in every aspect of their lives…I’m angry at the audacity of such people to take it upon themselves to tell uz what to do n b so intrusive ..the bible says mind ur own business…private matters should b just that that,private…