Bo Juel Jensen: Could he be Watchtower’s worst nightmare?

Bo Juel Jensen has emerged as an articulate and heartfelt campaigner against the Watchtower’s mishandling of child abuse

If you do nothing else today, you must watch the YouTube video below. If you’ve already seen it, I’m sure that you were just as impressed as I was with the immediate credibility of Bo Juel Jensen.

But it’s not just Bo; it’s what he is telling the world community that will tug at your heartstrings. So who is Bo Juel Jensen, and what is his message? I would like to tackle that question with the following story. And I have a sneaky suspicion that he may soon become the Watchtower Society’s worst nightmare.

Bo was born in Denmark on March 1971, a love child. His mother was a 19-year-old student, working at a Danish bank with just enough spare time for a brief but productive affair with her boss. Bo’s biological father was married with two children and was not going to leave his wife. To make matters worse, Bo’s mom was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) and when her parents learned that she was pregnant, she was disfellowshipped. Her father, ahead of his time for a JW, refused to speak to her. She was alone and needed help, so she did what it took to be reinstated and married a JW a year after Bo was born.

Bo’s parents moved to Norway in 1973, and a year later, he was adopted by his mom’s new husband. Bo thought the man was his real father until he learned otherwise at age eighteen. What he knew while growing up was that his extended families were all strong JWs. He cannot remember anyone he knew who wasn’t a JW before he started school at age seven, which was the norm in Norway. A year before that, he thought everyone was a JW. His four grandparents were hard-core JWs and his uncle was a Gilead graduate and long-time missionary in Korea. Building branch offices, convention halls and Kingdom Halls in Norway, Denmark and Sweden is what his family excelled at doing. Both of his grandfathers were known as, “The old giants of the truth.”

Humiliation at the hands of a hypocrite

But not all JWs that Bo knew were inclined to help him grow up healthy and happy. When Bo was five years old, he was sexually molested by an elder at his Kingdom Hall. Even now, it’s very difficult for him to talk about it. And the molestation continued for four years. Finally at age nine, Bo rallied the courage to tell his mom what was happening. It wasn’t easy. He should have done it years before. The pain, shame, guilt, humiliation and anger that he harbored from his years of abuse were not emotions he could then put into words.

Those were the dark years, producing awful memories that he tries to forget. “Huge holes in my memory,” is how he describes it today. The abuser was trusted by everyone in the Hall. In fact, the man was married with a son and two daughters. Bo still has great difficulty talking about this four-year period in his life. The fear and horror was more than he could handle at times. He was being raped and he felt helpless.

When Bo finally mustered the courage to tell his mother what was happening to him, both of his parents, along with Bo, went at once to the police. The police had experts talk with nine-year-old Bo, giving him immediate relief, like this was all behind him now. Everything would be okay. This was a bad man who would be punished. Bo was safe now. But nothing happened, except that the molester was disfellowshipped. And the reason that nothing happened is that Bo’s parents withdrew their complaint, due to the persuasive power of other elders at the Hall. “You don’t take your brothers to court. Trust in Jehovah and everything will be okay.” Without a complaint, the police had no case. What made it so onerous is that the predator actually confessed to molesting not just Bo, but several young children at the Hall. He had been doing it for years.

Bo gags with disgust recalling the four-year period when the predator was molesting him that the hypocrite actually gave talks at the Hall about immorality and how God hates it. Bo remembers on one occasion when the abuser was giving a talk on the platform, that he thought that he, Bo, was the only person in the world who knew just how awful this man was.

He was a lying cheat and Bo wanted him to disappear, but the molester was reinstated as a JW in good-standing within a year after he was disfellowshipped. He could not go to the Hall Bo attended, but Bo would see him at assemblies.

“Make him go away!”

Fellow JWs treated the contrite scumbag like he was a changed man. He had made a big mistake, but he would never do it again. Another concern of Bo’s was that the molester attended a Hall fifteen kilometers from Bo’s Hall and that made him very uneasy. Bo started to worry about his safety. When Bo was twelve, he not only saw the man at a convention, the now repentant child abuser tried to engage Bo in a conversation. When it happened, it scared Bo so much that he turned and ran as fast as he could to find his grandfather.

His heart was beating rapidly and he was scared and speechless when he found and grabbed hold of his trusted grandfather. It took a while, but finally he could speak, “Grandpa, Grandpa, he tried to talk with me. I don’t like him. Make him go away.”

Bo’s grandfather hesitated for a few moments, hugging Bo as tightly as he dared. He waited until Bo had stopped crying and softly said, “Bo, you must forgive him. Jehovah has forgiven him and so must you. He is your brother now and you must be willing to give your life for him.”

It is a moment in time that Bo will never forget. He knew that he could trust his grandfather. He wanted to believe what he was telling him. Grandpa didn’t lie. But this made no sense. Maybe Grandpa knew something he didn’t know. What Bo knew for sure was that he would never get near that evil man and no one would make him say what Grandpa said about him. He was a bad person.

“What’s the difference between them and us?”

Bo’s first epiphany—that JWs may not be God’s chosen people—occurred when he was fifteen years old. He was at a soccer game with two other JW boys. The three boys had not told anyone that they were going to watch the national team play because it was forbidden by their JW parents, as it was a poor use of their time. Going in the door-to-door work, now that’s what God would have wanted them to do. As Bo sat in the stadium, he saw a father and his son sitting two rows below him. They were watching the game and having a great time. They smiled at each other and he could see that there was a special bond between them, they loved each other. Then this little voice in his head asked him, “What’s the difference between these two people and you, Bo?”

It was a good question and easy to answer: there was no difference. They were probably better off than him and his dad. Then the inner voice asked him, “What’s the difference between the 25,000 spectators in the stadium and the three JWs there?” No difference. Finally the voice asked, “Then why would God kill all the people in that stadium and save the three JW boys there?” In a flash, he knew that made no sense. It was a silly assumption. And he thought for the first time that he probably would not always be a JW. Just when and how he would leave, he could not then imagine. But, he knew that’s what he would eventually do.

Bo’s schooling while growing up as a JW was limited. Armageddon was imminent, maybe it would happen in a year or two, so why attend college? That’s how his parents couched it. So Bo’s schooling was limited to the mandatory nine years in Norway, from age seven to sixteen. At nineteen, he found a job selling insurance to people in the financial markets, and in the process he discovered something very special about himself. He loved to sell, and he excelled at it. A good listener, he paid careful attention to what people said, and what they meant by what they said. He didn’t try to sell them more than they needed. He learned early that by focusing on creating value for his customers, matching their needs to the products that he sold, it created a win-win situation.

Moving Forward

In 1994 and early in his working life, Bo decided that he did not want to be associated with JWs. The Watchtower’s doctrines and policies did not hold up to objective scrutiny. They no longer made sense to him. So he wrote a letter informing his congregation of his decision. He had broken no rules so he could not be disfellowshipped. Unfortunately, his wife and daughter did not share his doubts, and his wife quickly filed for divorce. She could not live with a man who was not a JW. In fact, Bo is shunned to this day by his daughter and ex-wife.

After the divorce, Bo immersed himself in his work life, selling stocks, bonds and paper assets in the Norwegian stock market. Over the years, he has worked for brokerage firms and major banks in Western Europe, served on management boards and as a partner in several asset management companies. He achieved financial success due in large part to his exceptional selling skills.

But in the summer of 2011, Bo decided that it was time for a change. He quit his job, deciding to be consultant. He is currently the principal adviser on several financial projects, working with start-up companies and venture capitalists. And he decided to do something that he always wanted to do. In his spare time, he would use his selling skills to inform people in Scandinavian countries about the dangers of high-control religion.

Great news from America

In June of 2012, he received a sudden burst of energy. Candace Conti, also a JW pedophile victim, took the Watchtower Society to court and exposed the world to their ineffective, negligent treatment of sexual offenders – particularly child molesters. And she won! This was great news for Bo. If a twenty-six-year-old American woman could take on the Society and win, why couldn’t he?

In August 2012, Bo helped launch a-not-for-profit organization called, “Hjelpekilden.” It would be a safe haven for people who had left or been kicked out of religious cults. Not just the Watchtower Society – any cult. There are currently 250 members. The organization, which is managed like a well-run business, helps people when they are most in need, still vulnerable from the crippling policies and misinformation they acquired during their time in a cult. Hjelpkilden provides human support systems, telephone services, professional health-care workers and doctors to assist people in need. It’s a group of caring people with good listening skills – cult survivors who have been there, done that.

One of the most helpful services that Bo’s team provides is good objective information. Hjelpkilden drafts op-ed stories for the media to help the public understand how cults manipulate and control their followers. His group exposes the secrets and unpleasant facts that cults like the Watch Tower Society try to hide from their members. And for Bo, it’s all about making people aware of the dangers for children in cults. He has taken it upon himself to report story after story, true stories of religious abuse.

In the Norwegian media spotlight

In December 2012, Bo hit pay dirt when NRK, the biggest and most trusted news agency in Norway, printed damaging articles about Watchtower policies for seven straight days. Bo says that it was most gratifying to help facilitate over forty interviews and to work with the three full-time writers who broke the story.

Bo was asked to appear on Norway’s national television station just a few days after the NRK articles were published. It was short notice and he did not know who would be invited or what questions he would be asked. He was called at 2pm and asked if he could be at the TV studio in five-and-half hours. “No problem, I’ll be there.” And he had never before appeared on live TV.

When he arrived, he was pleased to see Roar Henriksen, who is a long-standing critic of the Society. Together, they made it clear to the public that hundreds of children were at risk due to the damaging policies of JWs, which protect pedophiles. Four people were asked to be on the panel. One of the panelists was the author of a book about cults. Before the interview, she was convinced that JWs didn’t fit that criterion. After Bo’s persuasive arguments, she decided that many JW policies and beliefs were cult-like. If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it must be a duck.

Bo is interviewed on Norwegian television

A month before Bo was on television, he noted with interest a John Cedars’ post on about a secret letter the Watchtower Society had sent to congregations around the world. It was sent to reaffirm the Society’s policies on pedophilia. Bo made a copy of the letter but did not read it. It wasn’t until after the television appearance that he read the letter. And he was appalled! Someone had to tell the world that this was baloney. (Okay, he used stronger words than that.) So he contacted Cedars and produced a YouTube video, serving notice to the Society and the world that the battle lines had been drawn. War had been declared on high-control religion at its worst.

“Get those kids out of harm’s way!”

This is not the last you will hear or see from Bo Juel Jensen. There is much more to come. When I asked Bo what he expects to accomplish with his media campaign targeting the foul-smelling JW policies, he said, “I have a dream! And that dream is that the Tower will fall. That the Governing Body of JWs will go to trial for its unjust policies; for the many pains it has inflicted on its followers. Okay, that may not happen, but I think it’s possible that we can get the Society to change their pedophile policies. If that happens, it will protect thousands of children in the future.”

“Perhaps our work will wake up some current members about the insidious policies of this ugly cult. And for me, this is personal. No child should go through what I experienced as a child. I must help to get those kids out of harm’s way. To the Watchtower Society, I say, ‘Enough is enough!’ We will not tolerate out-of-date harmful policies. And just maybe in my lifetime, JWs will be known around the world as a diminishing, fast-fading small-time cult.”

Bo also made it clear that there are many good people who are JWs, and he knows and loves these ones. But he hates the leaders, the policy makers. “I want the world to know me. That I am a survivor, a strong person, and I will not be a victim.”

Bo has immersed himself personally in telling people what it is like to live in a cult, and how dangerous it can be. In December 2012, he and his friend Tommy Andersen were invited to the Justice Department in Norway to tell their story. It is entirely possible that criminal charges will be filed in the near future against the Watchtower Society as the policy makers for all JWs.

When I asked Bo what is driving this passion to let the world know about the unjust policies of JWs, he said, “Silence is consent, and with my good communication skills, I refuse to consent!”

I have one last little story that I would like to share about Bo. It happened in 2009 during a telephone conversation. Bo had not heard from his maternal grandfather for several years, and only twice in the last fifteen years, when he picked up the ringing telephone. Lo and behold, it was Grandpa’s voice. “Bo, how are you? I want you to come back into the truth. Armageddon is so very close and I want you to live with me forever in the new world.”

Bo was grateful for the call. It was a delight to hear his grandpa’s voice but he was happy and would never come back. After five minutes of talking, Grandpa ended the conversation with, “If we were living 2,500 years ago in Israel, you would have been stoned and I would have thrown the first stone at you.”






Further information on Bo Juel Jensen and the media campaign in Norway:

Richard E. Kelly is the author of Growing Up In Mama’s Club, and The Ghosts From Mama’s Club, which are available on

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126 Responses to Bo Juel Jensen: Could he be Watchtower’s worst nightmare?

  1. Happy@last says:

    Very moving, and touching on some scars I suffer from after surviving similar abuse as a child over a 6 year period by a JW. I wish Bo every success and wish I had a similar courage in exposing the cult. Not only are the policies one sided for the protection of the predator, they are crazy by insisting on having the 2 witness rule applied in these cases, a rule that allowed my abuse to continue as long as it did.

  2. Tamethyst says:

    Hi Cedars,
    Thanks for posting this story (i’ll be watching the youtube video shortly). I hope he sue’s the pants off the WT Soc or whatever organisation that they are hiding behind. The attitudes of these so called “strong” in the ‘truth’ ones are shocking. Poor Bo to have to have put up with such harsh and unkind treatment by the ones in authority (after the crimes he suffered) is a terrible indictment of JW and their associations.
    The grandfather must be a loon to come out with such advice as – “Bo, you must forgive him. Jehovah has forgiven him and so must you. He is your brother now and you must be willing to give your life for him.” but it’s only too believable for a WT apologist.

    As in the Candace Conti case and pointed out by her lawyer, the WT lawyers were devious enough to state that “no-one should be allowed to change internal policies of a religious association.” But the thing that shocked the jury was that the WT knowingly allows convicted paedophiles to act as ministers and go Door2Door. This is where their policy is shown to shock normal people. This should be the automatic question asked of JW when they come to people’s doors “Why do you allow abusers to be JW ministers?”
    Many thanks.

  3. Wombledin says:

    Great stuff. Let’s hope the alluded to legal proceedings against the Watchtower leaders happens. Its incredible that after the Condi case the Society is still perpetuating the obvious flaws of its policy. It shows that this is certainly not an organisation practicing “clean and undefiled” worship through such gross failure to protect its most vulnerable members in their tribulation (James 1:27). Jesus said of true Christians “by their fruits you will recognize them.” The tragic record of this organisation on child abuse and blood transfusions, with so many thousands of child victims, is clear fruits that this is certainly not the true religion.

  4. Magusknight1974 says:

    These stories are a sad account of the ongoing problems of this organization. If these stories bother you wait for this year when the snowball effect kicks in around the world. The Governing Body is in hiding and they will be caught a few at a time which will disrupt this organization which causes some panic. The eye of the world is starting to notice the craziness that has transpired for so long in this group. I already know the outcome but others will experience this unraveling affect in sections. Watch what happens when they have large removals of witnesses. They already are talking about the separation work beginning to unravel which has already started. They need to remove the bad slave or the weeds among the wheat. They still use farmer terms or slave owners with bad slaves that need removing. The cleansing year is emerging soon and beware of independent thinking as this will remove you. The next set of orders will be to evaluate all your sheep and list those that show signs of rebellion. Those that show signs will be watched and monitored in order to document this behavior. The list will be supplied to the Branch Members for review and voted on in the committee meetings. When the elders receive judgement all those listed will have their privileges removed and lose their status in the congregation. When the first several groups are removed this will bring other members closer and give the appearance of the separation of the bad slave from the good. Many remaining will not doubt this process and believe they are fulfilling Bible Scriptures. I know this all sounds to crazy to believe but this process will soon be under way. I am not predicting anything but only pointing out they are heading towards this direction. Attendance is crucial and will play a big role as well as dedication in field ministry work too. The growth is slowing down and they are worried of bleeding out so they will strengthen resolve through performing a cleansing process. If you are still a member prepare yourself for the new phase they are unveiling. Believing is seeing so when you see it remember I just pointed it out but it was already evident to those that see it already.

  5. Julia says:

    Bo, your courage to be the voice for the little ones scared into silence will not be forgotten.

    You have an army of us supporting you in this battle.

    Don’t ever forget it!

  6. Tamethyst says:

    Hi All,

    In the UK we have an enquiry into child abuse going on at the BBC over years if not decades involving a minor celebrity disc jockey named Jimmy Savile. This evil man died a couple of years ago having been Knighted by Queen Elizabeth and it appears from testimony coming to light that there will be some serious charges pursued by victims for compensation for having suffered by his evil acts. The similarities between our discussions here, and the differences, are enlightening I think. One difference being that the BBC knew nothing of this abuse being carried out. Can you picture the BBC shuffling around DJ’s suspected of child abuse by moving them to different radio stations?
    We are all too familiar with how the watchtower shuffles its abusers all over the place thus enabling more abuse. The point of all this being the abuse will be documented and legal fingers pointed at the enablers of such abuse.

  7. Luis Padilla says:

    Bo, I applaud your efforts in exposing the WT for what it is, a destructive cult that is watching their arrogant and above-the-law attitude coming back to bite them. The defenseless children have a voice in you because they surely didn’t have one in that false prophet cult.

  8. samiray says:

    I want to say thanks to Richard for writing this article, to Cedar’s for putting it out there for all to see and to Bo for being such a warrior in this fight. I applaud each of them for their tireless fight to stop this abuse of children. Bo said in this article that “silence is consent.” There is so much truth and power in that statement. With those willing to fight on the front lines as these three men are doing and numerous others who have come forward and said “enough is enough,” this fight can be won!!!!

  9. Lynne peacock says:

    Words actually fail me right now. Bo has been an amazing support to me personally and countless others who until now have had no voice. He should be applauded for selflessness he’s exhibited by baring his experiences in such an honest way.
    I never could have opened up and told my story if not having spoken to him and for that I will be forever grateful. Lynni

  10. Nicole says:

    Keep up the great work, Bo!

  11. gladtoknow says:

    Go Bo Go! Lets bring down the mighty WTS!!!…..ugh

  12. Dyllen says:

    Bo, you are a hero! Nobody deserves to live in a cult that destroys lives and breaks up families — once a sicko, always a sicko! I can’t believe JWs are driven to believe such felleny, that when a sicko has been reinstated into the cult, they will be treated like a family again??? What’s up with that and how sick is that?? One of my ex-uncles had done something awful to his own niece — no, he’s not a JW but I was driven to believe my ex-uncle had done nothing wrong. Then I heard it from my sister — it was no lie! My ex-uncle made a pass at his own blood-related niece and I haven’t been able to call him my “uncle” any more! Same goes with the JWs…if someone hurts my JW sister they will be hearing from me! Thanks, Bo. You’re a hero! Keep up the great work! <3

  13. Frank says:

    The present WTBTS policy focuses almost entirely on the perpetrator and his future. Secular child protection services focus ENTIRELY on the future of the victim.

    It should be obvious that while incidents remain secretively under wraps, the victim cannot be extended the psychological and emotional help through secular services he/she needs to shield them from future guilt and self-loathing that we now know WILL occur!

    The alternative? Counselling from the same source that caused the problems in the first place! The blind leading the blind.


  14. Pat Law says:

    Terrific article. The courage of people like Bo encourages me to believe the WT Society will eventually pay for their crimes against innocent children…

  15. loren yanko says:

    this really touched my heart aswell , i grew up as a JW in NZ i left 5 yrs ago i was 20 at the time, no abuse on my part but i know of others that have been through it ,leaving was the best thing i did even though it meant i left everything behind.

    it still blows me away how they can just kick u out and treat you so badly they want us to come back but treat us badly while we are out ……hello…….

  16. anonymous says:

    We must not be stupid, we must make sure our children are safe. Therefore, no child should be left alone with a man who is not family, but we can not be safe then either, think of parents who abuse their children.
    In this world we can not be 100% safe, but abusers should not serve as deacons and elders. people look up to these people and they can be fooled by the abuser.

    But when a person repents, we must forgive, it is a difficult situation. It will be harder to keep the faith now that the end is near, Jesus said that many would hate each other, many would stumble, Matthew 24:10.

  17. Brinjen says:

    My response to Jehovah’s Witnesses who defend the Watchtower Societies policies regarding child abuse is to ask them ‘What would you reaction be if this were any other religion?’

    We all know what that is. They will tell you how it’s proof that they are not God’s organisation etc… But it is the same courts, laws and procedures that aware people like Conti damages for the abuse that they suffered. There are no special rules or procedures in place for those seeking compensation from the Watchtower Society. The law treats them exactly the same as those seeking compensation from the Catholics… or any other religious organisation out there.

    It’s funny… they don’t question much when someone is awarded compensation from the Catholic church… or the Anglicans… or anyone else. But when it’s the Watchtower Society, somehow Satan is behind it.

    Excellent video.

  18. Suzanne says:

    Those of us who have escaped the talons of the Watchtower are still stunned to hear of how many cases of rape and molestation have been swept under the rug. For me, it’s been 10 years since I ended my existence as a Jehovah’s witness after learning the layers of conspiracy involved in their trying to keep this quiet. It was this issue that opened my eyes to their many failings, but this is the one that rises to the top and stays at the top of my list of concerns about the religion spawned by the hostile corporate takeover of a religious publishing house. Thanks to Bo and to Candace and to all the brave souls who have spoken out about this.

  19. deep-blue-sea says:

    Thanks Bo for having the boldness to talk about this horrible crime against you and many JW’s children, allowed by WT’s policies!
    What puzzles me is that the Bible condemns immorality, adultery, bestiality, gays, but never condemns pedophilia..probably was it a normal practice at the time????
    This fact was enough for me to conclude that the Bible is not God’s book, that God Jehovah must not be the true loving God. He same as the WT did’nt issue laws to protect children, humanity’s heritage! Continue your fight Bo, a large crowd is with you.

  20. Naima says:

    Thank you Cedars..thank you Richard..many thanks to you Bo for your boldness.
    There are many of us who share your dream of seeing the Tower come down…
    Interestingly ,today’s Wt study was on forgiveness, ..that is what the WBTS would like the innocent victims of pedophiles to do. .and just sweep the abominable crime under the rug.

  21. Paulo says:

    Grandpa ended the conversation with, “If we were living 2,500 years ago in Israel, you would have been stoned and I would have thrown the first stone at you.”

    And 500 years later, Jesus would tell to them:
    John 8:38 I speak; and YOU, therefore, do the things YOU have heard from [YOUR] father.”
    44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.

  22. Tommy Andersen says:

    Bo is a heroic warrior against Jw’s abuse of children. I grew up with him in Norway, and I stood right beside him when his grandfather told him to forgive his molester. I think we were around 12-13 yrs… They have treated my friend very badly, now it’s payback time! Go get them!

  23. Edith says:

    this is just a small part of the things they wont show, or handle it!

  24. Wow………….Right now I feel like someone has been secretly taping my sessions with my psychologist and just published my story. The only difference is that I am a female from the US and my molester was a high ranking JW family member. Suddenly, I do not feel so horribly alone.

  25. Frank says:

    Brinjen, the entire dynamics would change if the victim was the child of of the policy-maker. It’s called empathy, something that doesn’t seem to be part of this religion’s claim to having agape love within their ranks.

    Children have always been considered acceptable collateral damage by organised religion; an acceptable human sacrifice for a ‘higher purpose.’

  26. DB says:

    Grandpa ended the conversation with, “If we were living 2,500 years ago in Israel, you would have been stoned and I would have thrown the first stone at you.”

    He can’t ever have read what Jesus said here:

    “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone…” (John 8:7)

  27. Julia Orwell says:

    You know I’d heard the odd story about someone being abused by a JW but thought they were really isolated events. Maybe where I live it is. But now I realise this is a problem, and for all the WT bangs on about how the Catholics shunt the problem priests off to another parish and how good they are at removing the wicked from among themselves, this has been a true eye opener.
    Hypocrisy! Jesus said he would start his cleansing among those who claim to be his.

  28. Aunt Fancy says:

    Thank you for writing this and to Bo for his hard work in bringing attention to this horrible crime. It is time the WT pays for their sins against children and for their abuse to the brothers & sisters. Nothing would make me happier than to see this cult come crashing to its knees. Too many people have been abused by their policies and rules!

  29. Cheryl Brown says:

    I am forwarding Bo’s Story to my cousin, who has similar feelings about the Catholic Church.
    This story made me sad for Bo, because he will NEVER forget what happened. It follows you the rest of your life, that people you trust to love and protect you cave in to outside pressure for whatever reason. My mom was “embarrassed”, so she let it slide and I got to live with that Scumbag until I moved out at 16. My brother was molested by an Episcopal priest. She was too embarrassed then, too. For her, she revered men that had any power/money. These sects place themselves above the victim’s needs. That loss of trust is hard to recover from.
    This kind of cover up is certainly not limited to the JW’s, Catholics or Episcopalians. I had a little boy from the Mormon church in my class some years ago in Chandler, Arizona, which has a huge Mormon contingent. His father molested children in his capacity as a theater director in the church. It was of scandalous proportions. My neighbor who was in the same church condoned the actions of the Mormon Church, which was to rally around the dad and to “heal” him within the church.
    To me, religion in general is a cult.
    This man has taken a really bad experience and done something positive to help others. When I went into counseling finally as an adult, the counselor had me tell him everything and then he asked me a surprising question. Did anything good come out of all this? I was stunned, but when I thought about it, there were times when students came to me with these problems and I was able to understand their dilemma and get help. It wasn’t easy and I was physically threatened a few times. But, those kids were not alone. That is what Bo is doing and it is the best thing for him as well as other victims. Only, it does stir up old emotions.

  30. Ant Lloyd says:

    Though the Watchtower does not claim they are the only way to God found on earth today, the child abuse for me was a big eye-opener. “God’s true organization on earth” would not protect the abuser, let alone to the detriment of the victims.

    Jesus gave his life for all. The Watchtower puts its survival ahead of the victims’ needs.

  31. Frank says:

    Ant Lloyd: “Though the Watchtower does not claim they are the only way to God found on earth today…”

    Is this a misprint, Ant Lloyd? Who else to they claim has a pathway to God?


    • Julia Orwell says:

      I’m with you Frank. My dad just told me he could see how I was being brainwashed years ago.

    • Ant Lloyd says:

      Apologies Frank, it is a slip. I meant to write that their claim to be the only true religion is not unique, that they are not the only ones who say that. As a matter of fact, that is characteristic of mind control cults. They must be exposed.

      Somehow I wrote something else. Thanks for pointing it out.

  32. Evan says:

    I have to admit, as a formerly abused child (mentally, physically, emotionally, and sexually) who was raised in the “Truth”, reading stories like this gives me hope. I knew there were plenty of others out there, there had to be! However my feelings of anger, shame, and hopelessness consumed me guaranteeing my silence. We are so afraid of losing the very system we were taught to depend on, and we will convince ourselves anything to just make it to the next day.

    My family ended up moving congregations 4 or 5 times, as the elders and sweet old ladies would start to recognize what was going on. Fortunately, the paternal side of my family weren’t fanatical followers who shunned everyone and anything that WBTS considered worldly. I was extremely lucky for this. Many others are not, especially those who come from “dynasty” families. I hope this article gives them the strength to persevere, as well as granting wisdom and empathy for the parents who shun. Once again thank you.

  33. Frank says:

    Stoned – for bearing witness to the truth?

    Reminds one of a Great Man, the humble carpenter who was murdered by the big “Organization” of his day – for telling the truth.

    So where does that leave us?

    There are all these cases of child abuse. Thousands of them.
    Perpetrated by members of a religious Organization that claims to be on the side of Good, but circumvents (and obstructs) Laws designed to protect the defenseless. Some would call it religious defiance. Others, quite rightly, call it a moral outrage.

    Not to mention all the other abuse that is going on – the abuse of people’s trust, the way they are defrauded into thinking they are working for God – when in actual fact they are making an Organization rich.

    Every JW needs to know what is going on in their religion.
    And, once they know – are they going to keep quiet, and be accomplices?

  34. Bo Juel says:

    Thank you all so much for your supportive and heartwarming comments. I feel that all the positive comments make the fight easier. My hope is that by telling my story more people will have the courage to step forward and tell their story. For many years I thought that I was the only one who had experienced abuse within the congregation. I felt very alone. I don´t feel alone any more! There are thousands of victims and it´s time for all of us to speak out against this morbid cult.

    One of the things that made me realize that JW is no more Gods people than any other religions or cults, is their belief that the elders are appointed by The Holy Spirit. “The elders, appointed by holy spirit, are the Governing Body’s representatives on the spot, in a position to consider all factors.” – The Watchtower magazine, July 1, 1976, page 401
    How could anyone in their right mind believe that The Holy Spirit would choose pedophiles to run Gods business? Well, I don’t have to answer that one do I?

    I will take the opportunity to say one thing about the article. I do not think I am the Watchtowers worst nightmare. I think that the Watchtower is the Watchtowers worst nightmare! If you look back at 2012 and see all the things the WTBT$ has done in one single year that has backfired directly in their face it´s just incredible. The Conti case, release of the “Become Jehovah´s Friend” DVD, the turmoil their sign language video of “no-no to masturbation” made on YouTube and the BOE letter of October 2012 are all thanks to them self’s. They have made it so easy for people like me to say to the world “Look! This is what we have told you for years, and now they prove it publicly for everyone to see”.

    A huge thank you to Richard E. Kelly for writing my story and to John Cedars for making it available for the public. And to all the victims of the towers policies on child abuse; stay strong! You are not alone! Your voice will be heard! And the WTBT$ will be given no more warnings. This is it! We are not going to be silenced any more. Either you change and get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness or we will destroy you. Either way we are going to expose your evil ways for the whole world!

  35. Richard E.Kelly says:

    Bo, you humble all of us with your comment. I would also like to give kudos to John Hoyle, John Cedars and Barbara Anderson for helping me tell your story. Some pretty talented people who are motivated, not for personal gain, but to fight injustice whenever and wherever they see it. And I believe our army will grow as we tell the many stories of those that have been abused and have decided to fight back. As you said, “Silence is consent,” and it is an option we all have chosen wholeheartedly to ignore.

  36. Happy@last says:

    We must not be stupid, we must make sure our children are safe. Therefore, no child should be left alone with a man who is not family, but we can not be safe then either, think of parents who abuse their children.
    In this world we can not be 100% safe, but abusers should not serve as deacons and elders. people look up to these people and they can be fooled by the abuser.
    But when a person repents, we must forgive, it is a difficult situation. It will be harder to keep the faith now that the end is near, Jesus said that many would hate each other, many would stumble, Matthew 24:10.

    Can you explain to me how a pedophile can prove repentance? You cannot expect anyone to forgive a person that violates the trust and body of a child, they are sick and give in to evil thoughts, their choice to do what they do should not give them the right to any forgiveness

    • Julia Orwell says:

      I once met a forensic psychologist who said pedophilia can never be ‘cured’ because it’s a sexual preference.

  37. Frank says:

    Thank you, Bo Juel, for speaking up, and making it possible for others to speak up.

    The world needed to hear your story. You speak on behalf of the thousands who have been silenced, beaten down, cast out, made to feel worthless. It may encourage them to come forward, and speak.

    To anyone who questions why the Organization should be prosecuted for the crimes of individuals, the answer must be: because the Organization created the environment where abuse could become institutionalized. The Organization claimed that all theocratic power was vested in itself – and could never be questioned. The process has been yet another demonstration of a real, sad, truth: in this world, power corrupts – and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Since the time of Rutherford the Organization’s doctrine has been: “we are the Anointed of Jehovah” – therefore we are untouchable. As this power become absolute, it was extended – all the ones whom the Organization appointed – the Branch Committees, the traveling representatives, and all the elders – are also “untouchable” – because they are representatives of the Organization.

    It became a way of life to cover over institutional wrong-doing – to protect the reputation of the Organization, and its claims to have brought a “spiritual paradise” into this earth.

    So – having taken for itself all power – the Organization must now take all responsibility for the abuse of that power.

  38. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Frank wrote @ January 28, 2013 at 9:48 am

    “Thank you, Bo Juel, for speaking up, and making it possible for others to speak up.

    The world needed to hear your story. You speak on behalf of the thousands who have been silenced, beaten down, cast out, made to feel worthless. It may encourage them to come forward, and speak.

    To anyone who questions why the Organization should be prosecuted for the crimes of individuals, the answer must be: because the Organization created the environment where abuse could become institutionalized. The Organization claimed that all theocratic power was vested in itself – and could never be questioned. The process has been yet another demonstration of a real, sad, truth: in this world, power corrupts – and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Since the time of Rutherford the Organization’s doctrine has been: “we are the Anointed of Jehovah” – therefore we are untouchable. As this power become absolute, it was extended – all the ones whom the Organization appointed – the Branch Committees, the traveling representatives, and all the elders – are also “untouchable” – because they are representatives of the Organization.

    It became a way of life to cover over institutional wrong-doing – to protect the reputation of the Organization, and its claims to have brought a “spiritual paradise” into this earth.

    So – having taken for itself all power – the Organization must now take all responsibility for the abuse of that power.”

    And I don’t believe I have seen a better and more accurate, succinct post ever on this or any Jehovah’s Witness forum..Thank You Frank!
    However, will it take that responsibility? Certainly not willingly as it has shown it will fight and deny responsibility and accountability to the death but what will it take for the authorities to finally intercede in a real and substantive fashion?

  39. pinksapphire says:

    This is a very touching account and I am moved by its honesty. I only hope that jw can open their hearts of stone to recognise the damaging culture they encourage. I wish Bo all the very best and he is assured of all the help and support he should ever need. I am going to forward a link of this page onto my friend, she is not linked into any exjw stuff and I hope this will give her some much needed support.

  40. Julia Orwell says:

    Hi Frank,

    To be an accomplice or not to be? Should I leave, I will lose 14 years worth of friends. A spiritual void would develop between me and my husband. There is truth and wrong in most denominations I think, and bad eggs in more than just the WTBS. Could I attend meetings and make scriptural comments, and show love to my brothers like Jesus said? I don’t know if I can walk that line. I’ve been reading scriptures to my husband from the book of John and others, and he becomes ‘sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought.” This is a good sign, and I guess the trick is to drip feed him.

    Frank, are you an ex-Witness? If you are, then you know what it’s like to leave, and how hard it is to face the fear of losing your friends. My disfellowshipped best friend won’t even talk to me because “she’s not supposed to” even though I tried to reach out to her in a Christian spirit.

    If anyone can help me work out this muddle I’m in, I’d be grateful. Only Jesus gives me solace now, which is great! But I appreciate being able to talk to people as well.

  41. Frank says:

    Hi Julia. I’m not sure whether I’m the Frank you’re addressing, but I would do the only safe things to do – don’t be scared to use a bit of Theocratic War Strategy yourself and, while giving the impression you still support the Organisation – fade! Go slowly at first, then just a little at a time.

    I did this after discovering that this form of “Christianity” lacks true provenance. Christ’s arrangement of Shepherding as a philosophy ended early in 1980 and was replaced with a “You’re either in or you’re out” philosophy starting with a set of Inquisitional judicial committees at Bethel itself. If you want to read precisely how this happened, read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz, who was forced to undergo this unBiblical ‘theocratic’ arrangement (the word “Theocratic” is found nowhere in the Bible).

    I leave open the opportunity to return, but the Organisation will look quite different if I do. I’m sure the Internet will continue to help in these matters.

    Frank V

  42. Nick says:

    What are the “real” chances of criminal charges being brought up against the GB for their policies which have failed to protect children from abusers?

  43. JimmyG says:

    Julia- I am in the same predicament as you, although gender reversed. You do not mention children. I have 2, which complicates matters further. As Frank suggests, the 2 books by Ray Franz is a good place to start and Theocratic War Strategy is what I have employed so far. If you don’t know what this is, look it up on the WT CD-ROM. This is a WT strategy, but I use it on them.

    It’s good to remember, you are not the only one going through this. Regards, Jimmy

  44. Frank says:

    Hi Julia,
    Profound questions, needing lots of reflection, and prayer.
    Here’s an interesting “thought experiment” (a useful tool used by Einstein) which could help you get perspective:

    Let’s go back 16 years and a bit, to 1996.
    The scene: you and your husband are members of a Church. (Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, whatever – take your pick).
    You are a bit concerned about scandals in the church, and have been reading Witness literature, and maybe having a study. The thought crosses your mind – “should I change religions?” But your husband (and friends) clearly feel their loyalty must be to the Church. So you are in a quandary. What to do?

    You ask the witnesses. Who reply along the lines of: “we have the Truth, you must put God first, leave the Church, if necessary defy your husband. Who knows, he may come round.” And so on and so forth, with selected scriptures to match.

    And if you followed their advice? You would possibly lose your marriage, and your friends. We don’t know, because it’s a thought experiment. And it’s not the key point, anyway.

    Now fast forward 16 years to the present. You’re facing the same question – again. And you could be saying to yourself – “if I had know then, what I know now, I’d have decided differently.”

    That being so – why make the same mistake twice?

    [Comment edited - Frank, please do not misrepresent the purpose of this site. Please read the article below if you are still confused as to what we are trying to do on JWsurvey. Cedars]

    Kind regards
    Frank (the other one)

  45. Zadok says:

    Strangely enough there has been totally silence in Norway after the first TV-program about Mr. Jensen. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that this alleged abuse happened 31 years ago, and it has never been reviewed to the police nor been legally treated.

    Maybe someone hoped that this story should create a stream of new cases, but there has been NO – 0 – new cases reported. Not even from the 30 last years! Seems like the greatest flop from the superred sosialistic norwegian state channel ever…

    • Cedars says:

      Zadok’s comment:

      “Strangely enough there has been totally silence in Norway after the first TV-program about Mr. Jensen. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that this alleged abuse happened 31 years ago, and it has never been reviewed to the police nor been legally treated.”

      “Maybe someone hoped that this story should create a stream of new cases, but there has been NO – 0 – new cases reported. Not even from the 30 last years! Seems like the greatest flop from the superred sosialistic norwegian state channel ever…”

      Notice how Zadok uses typical watchtower/apologist reasoning.
      It happened 31 years ago = it didn’t happen
      The police didn’t take action = it didn’t happen
      The media aren’t reporting on it 24/7 = it’s not important

      He even goes so far as to try to undermine the Norwegian state channel who covered this by claiming it is communist.

      Thanks Zadok, but I think we’ve heard enough of you on this site. Good luck elsewhere.


  46. Julia Barrick Douglas says:

    Zadok, Bo’s story has created a stir across the world. His interaction with the Norwegian media was just a first step of many.

    What are you personally doing to help expose the Watchtower’s harmful pedophile policy? Or are you just here to criticize and cast a shadow over the brave efforts that are being made by others?

  47. BeenMislead says:

    Julia Orwell
    Hi Frank,
    To be an accomplice or not to be? Should I leave, I will lose 14 years worth of friends. A spiritual void would develop between me and my husband. There is truth and wrong in most denominations I think, and bad eggs in more than just the WTBS. Could I attend meetings and make scriptural comments, and show love to my brothers like Jesus said? I don’t know if I can walk that line. I’ve been reading scriptures to my husband from the book of John and others, and he becomes ‘sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought.” This is a good sign, and I guess the trick is to drip feed him.

    Hi Julia,
    Please be assured you are not along. I (like JimmyG) am also in your same situation. I consider myself of the “conscious class”. I have been slowly telling my Wife things that I can see also makes her think. I think you are right about “drip feeding”. That is what I am trying to do also. Hang in there, you have friends.


  48. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    Zadok states “but there has been NO – 0 – new cases reported. Not even from the 30 last years!” First off, I don’t believe it as being anything more than desperate propaganda but how could he be privy to such information if it were true unless he were a high ranking JW? He loses either way…

  49. Bo Juel says:

    I think brother Zadok has got something wrong here. If he had any listening skill he would know that the police did investigate my case back in 1982. He would also know that the government of Norway paid me “compensation” for the “damages” that the state caused by not prosecuting this man in 1998. This is all well documented and can be accessed in public files.

    When it comes to the media being silent that is also not a true statement. The last media coverage of Hjelpekilden was actually TODAY

    Brother Zadoks statement that no one has stepped forward is not true either. Three weeks ago a complaint where filed on behalf of to girls who where molested by a member of JW in Norway.

    Personally I have heard from 2 different families from different parts of Norway this year that both are families of four. Both families told me that they have left the tower after reading all the articles. To me that means that eight people found freedom. With that in mind a poorly thought out comment from someone who do not know the facts is to me lesser a problem than opening a can of beer.

  50. Julia Orwell says:

    Hi Cedars, Frank and others,

    Please help me. The only other place I can turn now it to Jesus and the Father.

    I spoke to an elder in my cong at the meeting last night about:
    1) The WTS UN membership;
    2) The Candace Conti case; and
    3) That in 1929 they still said Christ’s presence began in 1874, showed him the extract, and then that the WTS says now that in the late 18th C they were predicting 1914 as Christ’s presence.

    This is a summary of what he said, because I can’t remember every little thing said, though the conversation was passionately charged on both sides:
    1) and 2): he’d never heard of them, drilled me as to where I got the info, and said apostates probably made it all up, including falsifying the UN letters and ‘fabricating’ the Candace Conti case for their apostate internet sites.
    On point 3) I showed him the extracts from the 1929 Prophey book which highlighted the DATES mentioned above, and he once again questioned the veracity of my internet sources by asking where I got the info, and who wrote the book (Rutherford) and how I can’t be sure it’s not doctored because I don’t have hard copies. He told me it reeks of apostasy, and that all apostates are bitter, bitter people. I told him I’d never personally met one, so I couldn’t comment on that, but he said he has, and they’re always bitter.

    I have noticed some bitter one-eyed writings from ‘apostates’ on the net, but that is to be expected. The WTS is one-eyed too. It’s part of the human condition.

    Then he pointed me to the good in the organisation, good I’ve actually seen with my own eyes mind you: international brotherly love, and that the brothers are always there when disaster strikes. Living in a natural disaster-prone country, I’ve seen first hand that that’s true.

    He interwove what Peter said to Jesus when Jesus said, “You must drink my blood and eat my flesh,” at which point many people got stumbled because it was pretty yuck, and Peter, who didn’t understand any more than the others, said he wouldn’t leave Jesus because he had the sayings of everlasting life, and that some WT things may be unpalatable to me at present, but ‘sayings of everlasting life’ means I should be humble and believing like the child in Jesus’ illustration. Then he said about how the Shepherd the Flock book is constantly referring to WTS, and the FDS is directed by Jesus. I kept quiet on that one because I don’t believe they are.

    Then he fell back on the old, “If we didn’t have the WTS, would we know all we know about the Bible?” Ie be grateful to them!
    The affect all of this had on me was all my spiritual baggage came crashing back on me; my fear or Armageddon and losing my loved ones, the fear that if I don’t go witnessing heaps and start studies that I’m gonna die too; and 14 years of conditioning to fear the world and that Satan’s out to get me, and that I’ve fallen prey to ‘apostates’ and will compromise my salvation.

    All in all, this elder is a wonderful brother, who is humble and kind, and always there if I need encouragement. I believe he is a true Christian. He believes he is trying to save me, and maybe he is!

    I also believe that the WTS is not either all good or all bad. They have been instrumental in bringing the Bible to many different parts of the world, just like the Catholic, Anglican, Methodist and other missionaries of centuries past. I also believe that the brothers are very generous when it comes to helping brothers in disaster areas. I also believe that their Bible message has helped people learn about God’s moral standards.

    Yet, they’re not as holy as they make out, and if any of this ‘apostate’ stuff is true, then they sure as heck aren’t.

    Please help. In the last few weeks of independent Bible study Jesus took away my fear and confusion, and I got the Holy Spirit. Now I’ve got confusion and fear, with Jesus waiting in the wings again.

  51. Julia Orwell says:

    Thanks Cedars! Appreciated.

  52. Frank says:

    Frank (not V):”[Comment edited - Frank, please do not misrepresent the purpose of this site. Please read the article below if you are still confused as to what we are trying to do on JWsurvey. Cedars]”

    Frank (notV) I have no idea what you are talking about when you say I misrepresent what this site is all about. When you challenge me to meet your challenge please be good enough to put all relevant information on your comments. Please cut-and-paste my alleged ‘misrepresentation’ and then tell me why you disagree or you feel the cited article is misrepresented.

    I would be much obliged.

    Frank V

    • Cedars says:

      Frank, you said to Julia Orwell: “For whatever reason, you found your way to this site. We are not advocating a new religion, and not looking for disciples. We want you to follow JESUS CHRIST. The man who said: ‘where-ever two or three are gathered together in my name, I am in their midst.’” The remainder of your sentiments continue on a similar vein.

      When you say “we” you are speaking on behalf of myself and owners of this website. I made it clear in the article I drew your attention to that I am not looking to draw anyone to any particular belief system, be it Christian, Atheist, Buddhist or Hindu. I am merely interested in pulling people out of a damaging cult and helping them to think for themselves. I am not against people who follow Christ. I am merely wary, as many cult survivors are, of those who say THEY follow Christ and not others, and offer their own interpretation of how this should be done.

      I believe you are intelligent enough to offer help and advice to people on these pages without giving them religious instruction too. This is why I edited your comment. If you could accept my reasons, learn from the incident, and continue to contribute to our website without telling people your interpretation of what its goals are – that would be great.


  53. Frank says:

    Anyone who implies that incidents of paedophilia are fewer, if not as common as anywhere else needs to look at the bigger picture. When a supporter of this bad theological policy claims there are few reported cases – well, that’s correct – few REPORTED cases.

    (1) It is estimated that there are over 23,000 names of accused and established paedophiles at Headquarters.

    (2) In 2007 a class action was brought against the WTBTS which didn’t get to court because a large payout ($7,000,000 it is claimed) that came with a gag-order to prevent experiences appearing in the media. When the WTBTS placed a statement acknowledging the legal action, it claimed no responsibility for the “alleged” offences.” A cached copy of this statement is still available.

    (3) Unless one dismisses the Internet site SilentLambs as “apostate lies” one is forced to admit that many many are claiming to have experienced abuse at the hands of perpetrators who found it comparatively easy to move within the system set up in this religion.

    Don’t bother waiting for an acknowledgement in the Watchtower.

    Shall I go on?

    Frank V

  54. Frank says:

    Oh, and I almost forgot: check out the Gilbert Simental Californian Case; an elder who took advantage of sleepovers to abuse children, now in jail for 45 years.

    Just type the name into Google.

    Frank V

  55. Frank says:

    Cedars, please clear up the confusion in my head. Is it you or Frank (notV) who is critcising me for ‘misrepresenting’ you site or is it Frank (notV) that is misrepresenting your site. I personally am unaware of doing so. If I have (Frank V) please clarify with where I have along with what you had in mind in your cited article which I haven’t read.

    The ‘edited’ comment above (January 29) I find is ambiguous.


    Frank V

  56. Frank says:

    Julia: “Hi Cedars, Frank and others,

    Please help me. The only other place I can turn now it to Jesus and the Father.

    I spoke to an elder in my cong at the meeting last night about:
    1) The WTS UN membership;
    2) The Candace Conti case; and
    3) That in 1929 they still said Christ’s presence began in 1874, showed him the extract, and then that the WTS says now that in the late 18th C they were predicting 1914 as Christ’s presence.”

    Hi Julia, go to: and download item 71; Stop Bashing Christians! This is an excellent debate from the British Intelligence Squared site. Within this file you will discover why and how the religious mind puts up seemingly impenetrable barriers against what it considers to be hordes of barbarian invaders.

    Even with the whiff of dissatisfaction from your direction, if persisted in, will lead to congregation discipline. The Internet has become the natural predator of ‘revealed’ truth and the foundations are crumbling. Your answer is not a full-on assault on ‘true’ worship. Denial will set in long before you’ll get anything you can call an answer to your honest enquires. Witch-sniffers and Inquisitional committees are the stuff of religious history, but don’t worry, many others are in your position.

    I think the best thing is act the part and wait for nature to take its course. I regret that there is not yet a simpler answer.

    Frank V

  57. JimmyG says:

    To Julia Orwell- My recommendation only (if you want to ‘fade’ as opposed to going through the WT style ‘spanish inquisition’), is to NEVER, from this point on, go to an elder, no matter how ‘nice’ he is and ask questions of the type listed in your post. Be wary of everyone, give nothing away. This is part of ‘Theocratic War Strategy’ in reverse, using the WT’s own strategy against it itself. I’ve been in this mode for 14 months now.

    Because your behaviour changes, people in the cong want to know why- tell them nothing, it’s none of their business. Then the gossip starts and will spread throughout the whole cong eventually. This is what has happened in my case, but it’s all hearsay, no actual evidence. Why? Because I’ve said nothing that can incriminate me. As Cedars says, you’ve got to stay strong and I’m sure he’s got some good advice for you too.

    The elder’s reaction sounds so familiar to me. He’s not interested in whether what you’ve found out is true or not, only in the source of the information and the word ‘apostate’ follows very quickly. Then the ‘how do you know it’s a genuine document or it hasn’t been doctored’ line, after all it ‘reeks of apostasy’. I get the same reaction from my wife.

    Hang in there- regards, Jimmy.

  58. Frank says:

    Thanks for the clarification, Cedars. That was the other Frank, not me.

    Frank (FV)

  59. Frank says:

    With the apostate nil but daisy fodder
    And divine will done as far as eye can see
    The dreamer wakes to grand illusions
    To scan the shadows of man’s long-hoped scheme

    In the land of the free
    History whispers in pricked ear a word to the wise
    “Why is it you believe that such goodness
    Will not set the gallows upon the hills of paradise?”

    Dedicated to all who see only the smiles of the the artless and disaffected but never get to know what goes on behind closed doors.

    This is what we get when mankind in collectives cannot discern the difference between dissent (disagreement) and disloyalty (Ed Murrow).

  60. Julia Orwell says:

    Ah yes JimmyG, the good ol’ gossip machine. Thankfully my congregation is not a gossipy type. They’re pretty live-and-let-live, as city congregations probably are in most places. My previous one though was gossip central.

    I’ve reached the conclusion I’m just gonna say, “It’s all good, she’ll be right mate (an Australian expression meaning, ‘don’t worry! Relax, it’ll work itself out.’) and just bumble along. I do believe Christians should congregate together, and the KH meetings seem as good a place as any. I’ve actually stopped pre-studying though and I make extracts from my Bible and compare translations in my Bible app during the meeting parts, just listening peripherally.

    One point that might interest you: a lot of the brothers and sisters I’ve spoken to don’t take the WTS as gospel. They take the Bible as gospel, and keep doing what they do because of the Bible.

  61. Frank says:

    The lesson: Make history your teacher, not the winsome words of men (Psalm 146:3,4)

    Frank V (FV)

  62. Julia Orwell says:


  63. Willows says:

    Jesus spoke about white washed graves, organizations can have the appearance of white washed graves.

    When an organization can offer money to child abuse victims in one hand, and in the other a gag order that go’s with the money.
    One has to ask, is this organization an example of Christ.

    Bo Juel Jensen’s account needs to be heard. Child abuse victims have a right to be heard, never gagged. Thank you Bo for telling your account, your courage is appreciated and supported.

  64. rayowen says:

    Weird how one of the major reasons I got tricked into JW land was due the same kind of thing from mainstream religion.
    Down the line I detest not just the notion of predation upon minors but predation upon the minds of all humans by ideology, inc. religion especially, which seeks to thrust universal ideas at you as if they are not to be questioned and as if you are deserving of hatred and punishment for refusing to acknowledge them and act like a slave to them. Look around the world and you will see religion is a prime mover in very young people entering sexual relationships etc and even killing those who refuse as if they have shamed their family. That notion is a subconscious meme on even those who are not in that faith in a world where multicultural integration is increasing. You can have people in your locality who are backed up by law in defense of their religious rights; which include laws of religion at total odds with those of society and which they expect you to respect due it being religious holy ground baloney. The major elephant in the room is the thinking they get you to bow down to: they say their way is from an unquestionable source. In reality it’s not just bullshit; It’s Bull Elephant Shit! We should be within our rights to say so!

  65. Frank says:

    With reference to the exchange of posts with Julia Orwell, (January 29, 6:35AM) and your subsequent comment, (January 30, 12:57AM) I think the following points are valid:

    1. According to Standard Journalism Code of Practice, you have the right to control comments. However, that does NOT extend to selective editing, to suit your own agenda. Either you publish an entire post – or nothing. To publish selectively is precisely the same tactic you accuse the Watchtower of doing. I write for numerous blogs, and journals – and have never experienced this before. Highly unprofessional.

    2. You also published the edited quote OVER MY NAME. Both ethically, professionally and legally, this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. If you want to dispute this, turn it round – how would YOU like to have selectively edited versions of your material published over YOUR name?

    3. A widely accepted procedure is to quarantine a post, if deemed unacceptable, and confer by email, to see if a suitable compromise can be reached, or if not, both parties accept that the comment will not be posted in any form. If you don’t wish to follow this procedure, that is your choice. However, it would have taken you 5 minutes to write a brief email, and we could have avoided this unpleasantness, and the subsequent confusion with Frank V, which didn’t impress as a good advertisement for the management of your site.

    4. Normally, I would be resolving this by private email – but since you unilaterally chose to make it a public issue, it needs to be resolved in public.

    5. There are also copyright issues involved. You have already had one brush with copyright law, so I suggest you have a look at the implications. As things stand, it also automatically applies to all contributions, unless the contributor waives his/her rights in writing. I have certainly NOT waived my rights.

    6. A moral issue: Julia wrote a comment addressed to me, by name, asking a question. And I replied to her, by name. Therefore I believe she is entitled to read what I wrote her, whether you agree with it or not. If you dispute this, then you are no different from the Watchtower.

    To conclude, here’s the deal if you wish to resolve this situation:

    1. Kindly remove the edited posts, and publish my original reply to Julia, in full, unedited. You may, if you wish, place a disclaimer at the foot, stating that you and the site owners do not subscribe to the comment. This will allow Julia, and all interested parties, the opportunity to draw their own conclusions.

    2. If you decline to do this, then I withdraw all support for your endeavors, and I will also actively encourage other people to do the same. We already have one authoritarian organization to deal with. I certainly have zero intention of contributing to anything else that employs Watchtower tactics.

    Yours sincerely

    • Cedars says:

      Frank, I’m not sure what version of reality you are living in that makes you feel you have the right to tell me how to run this website, but you are in no position to be delivering ultimatums. If you don’t like my website, or the fact that I won’t allow people to use it as a platform for promoting religious dogma, you are quite welcome to find another website that will enable you to do that – or better still, start your own. This website is a sanctuary from religious propaganda, however well-intentioned it may be, and I won’t make an exception for you or anyone. My reasons are clearly listed in the article I drew your attention to. If you choose to ignore them, that’s your business – not mine.

      As to your ultimatum – here is my counter offer. I delete your ENTIRE post, or I leave it as it is. Which is it to be?


      FYI – as to your threat to actively dissuade people from visiting my website – I already have the Watchtower as an active opponent of JWsurvey. I think I can handle you.

      • Cedars says:

        I might as well address those points you made for the sake of transparency, but I object to having to do all this because I do not have as much time as you clearly seem to have…

        Point 1: “According to Standard Journalism Code of Practice, you have the right to control comments. However, that does NOT extend to selective editing, to suit your own agenda.”

        It wasn’t selective editing. I cut your comment short when it entered into breach of our site rules. This was not done to suit our agenda, merely to curtail yours.

        Point 2: “You also published the edited quote OVER MY NAME.”

        I used brackets. Any fool could clearly see which text was mine and which was yours. There was nothing underhand in the way I edited your comment.

        Point 3: “A widely accepted procedure is to quarantine a post, if deemed unacceptable, and confer by email, to see if a suitable compromise can be reached”

        That may be your widely accepted procedure, but it isn’t mine. My procedure is to write a lengthy article explaining what people may or may not post on this website. If people ignore these instructions, I edit their posts.

        Point 4: “Normally, I would be resolving this by private email – but since you unilaterally chose to make it a public issue, it needs to be resolved in public. ”

        Thanks for making that clear. And here I was thinking you just wanted to kick up a stink.

        Point 5: “There are also copyright issues involved.”

        No there aren’t. I strongly advise you never to become a lawyer.

        Point 6: “A moral issue: Julia wrote a comment addressed to me, by name, asking a question. And I replied to her, by name. Therefore I believe she is entitled to read what I wrote her”

        This can be easily sorted out. Julia – do you want me to email you Frank V’s entire unedited comment? If so, please let me know and I will send it to you. There, sorted.

  66. Richard E.Kelly says:

    Cedars, I am joyously supportive of your response to Frank. You will never please everyone. As wise Abe Lincoln once said, “There are always going to be some fleas that a dog cannot reach.” And now I know the name for one of those fleas.

  67. Julia Orwell says:

    We all need to remember the spirit in which this site was created. It was for us to step out of silence in mutual respect! I’m finally able to unburden myself, and if Frank too I guess. But boundaries have been set, and without boundaries things get out of hand.

  68. Frank says:

    I’d just like to point out too, Cedars, that the confusion was entirely my own. As I was rushing through to see what’s new, I only saw the end of the other Frank’s comment, not realising you were addressing it to the writer, which was the other Frank. As you will notice I have now changed my name to Frank V. However, if you’d like, I would like to change the superscription too to avoid any future confusion on my part (Frankleeh).

    I would also like to say that it is refreshingly rare to find a site’s proprietor who concentrates on getting religiously bogged-down minds a jump-start. I too am almost not interested in dogma, though sometimes it’s necessary to make a convincing argument or two to produce the desired result. In this we are kindred spirits.

    You may be interested to know that Skyrainbow retired to JW Survey after your ban here. I hope you don’t mind, but I cut-and-pasted a number of her blog comments to this site to expose her religious zealotry. I felt people needed to know, as you say, that Skyrainbow and others like her are site-bombing with less than noble intentions. I think it might have done the trick.

    Forgive me if I have done you wrong. The only good Skyrainbow has done is provided me with hours of fun and entertainment.

    Frank V (Frankleeh)

    • Cedars says:

      Hi Frank, no you didn’t do me wrong. I later noticed that we got tangled in our comments after you thought my comment was directed at you and vice versa. I didn’t lose any sleep over it!

      And yes, I noticed SkyRainbow still has an axe to grind over on JWstruggle. It’s a shame people can be so bitter, but (like you say) there is a humorous side to it too.

  69. Frank says:

    Sorry, I meant JW Stuggle, not JW Survey. Whoops!

    Frank V

  70. Alec Holmes says:

    I’m sorry, but the owner of a website has the right to set rules for it, and the users can subscribe to them or not. The beauty of the Internet is that it is a free place, so we can simply choose not to go where we don’t want to.

    Cedars is very transparent and open when it comes to this website, its purpose, and how he moderates comments. Which is a far cry from the way the WT handles dissent.

    Cedars, keep doing the excellent work you are doing.

  71. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:


    I have read NRK report on violent images in My Book of Bible Stories. I wish the report had a say on the book “LEARN FROM THE GREAT TEACHER” chap 10. The material in the chapter is 100% “mental abuser” for children. I hope they will not produce images for bible stories like “‘Give your son that we may eat him today, and my own son we shall eat tomorrow.’ Accordingly we boiled my son and ate him. Then I said to her on the next day, ‘Give your son that we may eat him.’ But she hid her son.” (2 Kings 6:28).
    There is need of in depth studies on impacts of publications of the WTS not only on children but also on adults. I strongly believe AWAKE! OCTOBER 2012 condemns in its article “Disturbing News Reports and Your Children” (You can read the artcicle yourself on this link:

    The article ends with this paragraph: Crime, violence, and natural disasters are tragic realities of our times. As we have seen, however, your efforts to protect, educate, reassure, and provide a balanced perspective will help your children cope with disturbing reports.
    WHAT ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHILDREN FROM DISTURBING STORIES OF THE BIBLE????? The article is completely blind on this issue!!!!

  72. Frank says:

    Hi Hakizimana. I’ve looked at the article and the Teacher book story and guess what? You’re absolutely right! Before trying to hack our way through the ethical jungle of religious child abuse, we have the night-mares caused by being obliged to teach our children that they live in a demon-haunted world!

    The one thing that seems to protect us from immediate mental harm is the distance Bible stories (archaeologically too, that’s all they seem to be) are so far back that the characters and events come across more like Boy’s Own bedtime stories (Hans Christian Andersson, Brothers Grimm etc). However, the Awake! article forces the idea that ‘evil’ lurks everywhere in our everyday experiences. Stories of demons and devils, ghosts and goblins should have been consigned to the past, but we seem to have developed a taste for them.

    Is religion a force for good, then? Does it help mankind by keeping these stories alive?

    Frank V

  73. DB says:

    Hi Hakizimana and Frank V,

    Totally agree. There are many parts of the Bible that are definitely not suitable for children. No right-thinking adult would read Ezekiel chapter 23 to a child for instance; very explicit, so explicit in fact that I’m not gonna quote any of it here! A child wouldn’t understand the purpose of such a chapter, as it’s meant to be a satire, they’d just take it literally. There’s a great assumption that the Bible is a moral book, but that is not entirely the case. Some people’s attitude seems to be: “it’s in the Bible, so that makes it okay”. At least people don’t think that the monsters etc in Grimm’s fairy tales are actually real. In my children’s Bible book (not produced by the WTS), there were one or two pictures that disturbed me when I was too young to understand.


  74. KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

    If everyone affected would go to the link and prompts below to find the field office and make a report in person? It’s fast and simple as they are limited to 30 minutes, at least where I am. It is an opportunity to provide not only your personal experience of abuse and pain and loss no matter how long ago but what you have witnessed, from the beginning and even including online and may have encountered with operatives since leaving. This is not only important for your benefit but others as well and because the FBI is in part an information gathering agency. It’s a simple and comfortable “walk-in” procedure that takes no longer than breakfast or a shower.
    “Put your money where your mouth is” and help protect others.
    I strongly encourage everyone whether American or other with a background of even suspected crime or abuse or related issues with Jehovah’s Witnesses or witness to them to record that with people who can actually do something and are actually interested! People living in other countries still can talk to the FBI and authorities in their own countries as well as I mentioned in other posts on other sites…I still maintain that.

    Contact Us > More Contacts > Contact-Your Local FBI Field Office > Select City

    or go to international office if overseas…

  75. Frank says:

    Klothrad, yes, very young children are robbed of the security all children of that age are entitled to in a free society. Victims of sexual child abuse experience in a physical and emotional way the reality of, not angelic demons, but human horror. Telling children that God will destroy all those who do not live up to his expectations; will watch indifferently while thousands of babies and children are killed just because the live in a time of judgement and are the children of sinful parents; and will take the lives of their loved ones if they refuse to repent, is far more scary than monsters under the bed or in the wardrobe.

    The one compensation is that, in an age of sceptcism, children soon outgrow this dread merely by using their logic circuits. The physical and sexual abuse obviously is far harder to deal with.

    As a child, the Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained book carried the printed image of Armageddon-survivor-stragglers walking off the edge of a mountain. There is no Biblical basis for this scenario, but it reminds us of how dangerous religious speculation and human indifference to the suffering of others can cause such damage.

    Frank V

  76. Julia Orwell says:

    Interestingly, an old brother in my cong told me yesterday he’d gone before a JC on charges of apostasy, but he was cleared because he only answered them with scriptures so they could get nothing on him. He has a bit of a reputation as a ‘trouble maker’ and most people don’t talk to him. Anyway, I was talking to him and he said when he became a Witness 50 years ago they didn’t used to “frighten the brothers with armageddon,” and “[the WTS] has done more harm than good in recent years.” Good that not all the oldies are blinded by doublethink. This brother even has Rutherford’s books at home- they’re like hens’ teeth!

  77. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

    Hi Frank. Not at all. This destroys mankind instead!! What I have realized since I started scrutinizing the WTS publications 2 years ago after an incident with Elders is that WTS means EITHER “HYPOCRISY” or “STUPIDITY”. I think I am not being rude… I have good reasons to say so. In the article Jehovah Reveals What “Must Shortly Take Place” (w12 6/15 pp. 14-18) that you can read yourself on this link: the WTS CLEARLY advocates for ” the end of religion’s influence on society.” referring to what they call “FALSE RELIGION”. Read the article you will be amazed. You will find paragraph 16 fun with these PRECIOUS WORDS “…many people believe that religion contributes to or causes conflict. An increasingly vocal and militant group of Western intellectuals is calling for the end of religion’s influence on society.”

    If the WTS is for the end of religion’s influence on society, let US START WITH ITS INFLUENCE. Revelation 13:10 says “If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword.” BY ANALOGY, “If anyone will kill with PUBLICATIONS, he must be killed with PUBLICATIONS”. This is the TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUTH.

  78. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

    Bo, as I see your picture and read a bit of your story, I can feel the pain you went through especially concerning your divorce. I am going through the same pain after quitting the WTS last February. You are a voice of many people around the world!! I want to assure you that you are fighting for a good cause! The WTS condemns herself in the article you can read on where they acknowledge the need of ” the end of religion’s influence on society.” BO, I can feel you are the FIGURE to end secret but malicious influence of the WTS on society!! Courage and with you!!

  79. Frank says:

    Hakizimana, I think you and I agree that the WTBTS can, under the terms of its own contract, write anything it wants, because if it ultimately fails, they can just say it’s due to ‘imperfection’ or they changed because they got ‘new light.’ This has been done many times and will continue be done with impunity.

    Sooner of later, though, the toxicity of religion gets weeded out by the intelligence of scientific light. Once upon a time it was believed that there could be no such thing as sexual child abuse in ‘God’s spiritual paradise’; this is why such a stream of after-the-event experiences are coming to light now.

    Denial is human, and so is ‘running for the hills,’ but all things must be equalised, except that many genuine victims will not get their just desserts in these matters.

    Frank V

  80. Julia Orwell says:

    That’s a hard wall to break down, Frank: the ‘imperfection’ and ‘light getting brighter.’ I used that sort of doublethink on myself until recently. My husband replied to me with it recently. But, he fell in love with a Penguin Classics translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and now a man who hardly ever reads except for his weekly Watchtower and Daily Text is enthralled in the world of ancient Jewish sects. I think he’ll wake up soon and see that Jesus is his mediator and not a bunch of self-satisfied guys in NY.

  81. BeenMislead says:

    It is called: THOUGHT CONTROL … Statements like:

    “Just wait on Jehovah”
    “The light keeps getting brighter”
    “You are running ahead of the organization”

    Are all used to stop the thought process when rational/logical questions are posed to the mind.

  82. Thoughtful says:

    Bo Juel Jensen, Thank you for standing up for what is right — that takes courage and integrity. I recommend you find out exactly WHO wrote those “rules” you read aloud and then investigate that person, because I would bet that person is a predator hiding many secret crimes. Who else would write such a thing? I started exposing crimes within the Church of Scientology in December 2008. One of the things I have found beneficial is to continually differentiate for people that you are not attacking the religion, you are attacking criminality. Criminality can exist within any organization and it is the duty of members to expose it and protect others from harm. Abuse, criminality, corruption — these things don’t have anything to do with religious beliefs. Excellent references that will help: “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout, and “Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work” by Paul Babiak and Robert Hare. These two books in particular are spectacular at detailing the type of personality that you are exposing — a predatory personality type that finds it especially easy to encyst themselves in religious organizations. They have no conscience, no guilt and no remorse. Good luck and let me know if I can help. — Thoughtful

  83. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

    Thoughtful, I tend not to agree with you on a point where you are saying that Abuse, criminality, corruption — these things don’t have anything to do with religious beliefs. I guess you are not a JW or know a little about them. If a person is exposed everyday to stories like God’s children raping the daughters of men, what will happen to his personality? Agree with me that our environment shape us and I want to include social environment that’s why JWs are what they are now!

    Go to the link and download The Watchtower of January 1, 2012 and have a look on “FOR YOUNG PEOPLE- Guard Against Wicked Spirits!” on page 30 and 31. What do you think of the illustrations associated with the exercise for young people. After considering that, ask yourself whether really Abuse, criminality, corruption… don’t have anything to do with religious beliefs!!!!!

    Read Deuteronomy 21:10-14 and tell me what influence (Psychological) it can have on abuse and criminality!! Don’t you see regular exposure to such stories everyday will impact seriously on one’s personality?

  84. Frank says:

    Hakizimana, you are right on the ball. Any number of ‘studies’ try to separate acts of violence in computer games from acts of violence perpetrated by computer game watchers, but common sense alone will tell the intelligent otherwise. What motivates lone gunmen in schools and shopping centres to do what they do? Of course, not all gamers are affected in the same way, as other aspects of their lives come into play too.

    With constant indoctrination from religion, the very least children will suffer is unnecessary guilt from being constantly taught they are nothing but sinners in the sight of God in need of ‘rescuing’; that they cannot make a moral move without being shown the way by a group of Biblically-wise men in Brooklyn (now Warwick); that they shouldn’t set any of life’s normal goals because the destruction of all they presently know will be gone in NEAR FUTURE (taken always as within their own lifetime); that they live in a demon-haunted world where everyone but their spiritual brothers and sisters are free of demon influence; and that even thinking for oneself is the equivalent of religious heresy, deserving of eternal death.

    Needless to say, this often produces a fatalistic attitude towards any progress in life other than religious.

    Child abuse comes in many forms.

    Frank V

  85. Julia Orwell says:

    Yep Frank, that’s enough to mess up anyone. I recommend reading “Escape” by Carolyn Jessop, a refugee from Warren Jeffs and the FLDS. It’s the same thing that happens to JW kids I imagine (not having grown up as one myself) but more extreme, and she goes into the sorts of abuses and violations of reality the followers will put up with.

    George Orwell wrote that if you cut a person off from information, that person is likened to drifting in space, with no way to tell what’s up and what’s down. They are cut off from the past, and there is only a constant, endless present in which any violation of reality can be practised by The Party.

    This is the world the WTS has created for its followers. And like Winston Smith in Nineteen Eighty-four reflected: I understand HOW, I do not understand WHY.

  86. Frank says:

    Yes, Julia, but I speak as an agnostic and state that all religion will have similar effect on children if not taught HOW to think, rather than WHAT to think.

    Orwell’s (not related?) dystopia vented its contempt for fellow humans through dehumanising the system. I don’t believe the WTBTS tries to do this. I feel the latter once had the ball and ran with it, but now, in the Age of the Internet, has to face the fact that it has a chequered background that it once could successfully hide. Rather than humble itself as the one who should stand for judgement, it CREATES a 1984 type judicial system to protect itself and survive. Orwell’s dystopia was concentrated evil, not a corrupted (not corrupt) system that has played nearly all its aces.

    Having said this, Sparlock is fast becoming a further step towards 1984.

    Frank V

  87. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

    It seems people ignore how much power the WTS exerts on its followers. It shapes them in even small details of their everyday life beyond imagination. Question just a single word in their publication they will label you “APOSTATE”!!!!!

    What should we think of a religion that implies on one hand that “psychology and psychiatry” is “worldly” knowledge (see the secret book of Elders SHEPHERD THE FLOCK OF GOD p.54) and on THE OTHER HAND teaches things like “We do not need to let our eye feel sorry for those who receive God’s adverse judgment or feel compassion for them.” Read yourself these words from and imagine what influence they will have on “believers” who do not value psychology and psychiatry!!

    I think THINGS would be different if “the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition” did not BELIEVE Moses saying “Have YOU preserved alive every female? [...] now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male…” (Numbers 31:13-17). THESE CRIMES WERE ASSOCIATED WITH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, in my opinion, a different idea would be biased!!

  88. Julia Orwell says:

    Yep it’s hard to overcome the ‘worldly knowledge’ trap. I’m glad I did and went to a psychiatrist.

    I wonder why the God of the NT is a god of love who wants everyone to be saved, and then had His followers in ancient times commit genocide.

  89. Frank says:

    Hakizimana, by quoting: “We do not need to let our eye feel sorry for those who receive God’s adverse judgment or feel compassion for them,” you remind us of one way the WTBTS uses methodology to maintain ‘unity’: By telling us that God is watching us all the time! In Orwell’s 1984 this took the form of a large eye on a poster (“Big Brother is Watching You”) that would be at every street corner to make the populace fear the State (The Party).

    No details of the religious statement above are given here, just a vague idea that somehow ‘apostates’ will be found out and captured. This fear placates the need for over-expenditure on the part of the State as it relies on the fear circuits in our brain – which themselves do the policing.

    Secondly, ‘unity’ is maintained by hermetically sealing ‘the truth’ within the created boundaries of the environment. Inhabitants are reminded often:

    “The Internet is evil”

    “All Internet sites apart from The Party’s is disapproved and of the Devil”

    “All information that is disapproved is apostate. To pass misinformation on to another is an act of heresy that brings forth death”

    “Individual thought is apostasy”


    All compassion for the enemy of the The Party is to be disapproved and punished. This is initiated by removal of the disapproved one from the collective. Social death and threats of physical death follow.

    If one calls upon the mercy of the collective, reluctant forgiveness is extended.

    Frank V

  90. Frank says:

    All from one article with consecutive paragraphs, here’s another excerpt for your consideration:

    “Regarding them, the psalmist said: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies.” (Psalm 139:21, 22)

    “It was because they intensely hated Jehovah that David looked on them with abhorrence.

    “Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him.

    “Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word.

    “Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness.

    “True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.”

    – Source: Watchtower 1993, 1st October, p. 19 par. 15 “Search Through Me, O God””

    What are some of the effective tools used in this piece of writing that may evoke strong emotions and loyalty?

    One tool we might note is that in one single paragraph of 208 words we find such words as:

    Hate – 3 times
    Hating – 1 time
    Hatred – 2 times
    Apostate(s) – 4 times
    Apostasy – 1 time
    Reject – 2 times
    God – 2 times
    Jehovah – 7 times
    Jehovah’s Organisation – 1 time
    Bad – 2 times
    Badness – 1 time
    Enemies – 2 times
    Abhorrence – 1 time
    Revolt – 1 time
    Rebellion – 1 time
    Loathing – 1 time
    Hinder – 1 time
    Additionally, expressions such as:

    “Intensely hated Jehovah,”
    “looked on them with abhorrence.”
    “hatred of Jehovah,”
    “revolting against him,”
    “rebellion against Jehovah,”
    “reject teachings or requirements,”
    “reject Jehovah’s organization,”
    “deliberately choose,”
    “so ingrained,”
    “Christian must hate,”
    “True Christians,”
    “feel a loathing,”
    “made themselves God’s enemies,”
    “execute vengeance.”

    Frank V

  91. Julia Orwell says:

    It was actually a man with a moustache on the poster. Also, it’s interesting to note the three slogans of INGSOC (Newspeak for English Socialism) in 1984: War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength.

    Other topical citations: ‘Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.’ ‘Who controls the past controls the present. Who controls the present controls the future.’ ‘The doctrines of the Party are most effective on those who do not understand what it is they are being asked by the Party.’

    I could pull out a zillion more interesting ones, but I’m too lazy to get out my copy of 1984. I used to be able to tell you what page certain things were on and what paragraph, and when I was teaching it to high school students they thought I was some kind of freak. Some of them picked up my enthusiasm for 1984 though.

    Enough rambling about 1984…

  92. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

    Dear Thoughtful, you are saying “Abuse, criminality, corruption — these things don’t have anything to do with religious beliefs”.
    I tend to think you need to change your point of view. You really do not to be a psychologist to understand how bible passages like Judge will produce criminals of all sort. Read it and you will find things like:

    “At that the owner of the house went on out to them and said to them: “No, my brothers, do not do anything wrong, please, since this man has come into my house. Do not commit this disgraceful folly. Here are my virgin daughter and his concubine. Let me bring them out, please, and YOU rape them and do to them what is good in YOUR eyes. But to this man YOU must not do this disgraceful, foolish thing.”
    25 And the men did not want to listen to him. Hence the man took hold of his concubine and brought her forth to them outside; and they began to have intercourse with her, and kept on abusing her all night long until the morning, after which they sent her off at the ascending of the dawn [...] Later her master rose up in the morning and opened the doors of the house and went out to get on his way, and, look! the woman, his concubine, fallen at the entrance of the house with her hands upon the threshold! [...] Then he entered his house and took the slaughtering knife and laid hold of his concubine and cut her up according to her bones into twelve pieces and sent her into every territory of Israel” (Judges 19:22-29). Read it on the link

    How do you feel about this? do you still think religious belief’s have nothing to do with ABUSE, CRIMINALITY, …? Religious belifs shape us more you can think, especially wiyh brainwashing religions organizations like the WTS!

  93. Naomi Fortune says:

    Jehovah God Himself and his beloved Son, Jehoshua (Jesus) have little to do with the man-made organizations and in fact they will probably be the first to be judged harshly by Jehovah Himself. God’s name Jehovah was removed from 6,972 places in the Bible thousands of years ago so that the Trinity could confuse everyone and that Jesus’ real name is Jehoshua meaning, ‘Jehovah is salvation’. Jesus may have been derived from Hail Zeus. [link removed]. JW’s have never owned Jehovah, His Son or anything righteous and by the terrible things such as covering up molestation of children and other crimes, it looks like ALL these religions are not only misguided, but are pure evil and what ever the TRUTH is, needs to come out, completely, to exonerate the pure and innocent among us, especially little children. It is time for all TRUTH to come out, so actually the internet is good in ways of research and letting people find out the original Bible TRUTH before it was molested. To me, Jehovah has always, from no beginning to no end, been GOD, and has always had a Personal name.

  94. Kat says:

    Frank said….
    “True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.”

    What are you doing here on an apostate site then!

    Do you not abhor what they write, but read it and respond. Does not the GB your rulers consider you conduct as bad, do you think they need ones like you making their rules to be laughed at while you deliberatly post with apostates sharing scripture.

    I think you post is now moot!

  95. Julia Orwell says:

    Frank is on our side: he used those quotes to show how hating the GB are, and what a shame their followers are being fed this vitriol. And besides, this isn’t an apostate site. Telling the truth is not apostate.

  96. Kat says:

    My apology Frank!! and thank you Julia for telling me.

  97. Mandelay says:

    He can repent and wait for Paradise in jail.

  98. Frank says:

    Thanks guys. This is not the first time my words have been misunderstood. On another site I reported that everyone there now had Skyrainbow’s “number.” A lady called Ruth said that I was making an “indirect” threat to Skyrainbow! Someone got in before me and explained that this didn’t mean I had private information about her!

    The above quote, once in contention, was written by me (an article on another site) about how language is used to elicit an emotional response to the subject. The word ‘apostate’ isn’t found in the Bible. It was coined to describe the “crime” of going against the counsel of the first-century apostles. Thereby to use this non-Biblical word has the purpose to make scarecrows to protect the interests of this religion.

    The single words and the phrases are carefully designed (note these examples are only in a short passage of just 208 words!) to inculcate, indoctrinate, the reader to distrust the “apostate” (literally to discredit the person so no one would even think of contact). Later, of course, ‘apostate’ came to mean ANY one who criticise the GB’s teachings. Note too the presumption that what is taught come from ‘Jehovah,’ suggesting that all teachings are “God-breathed.”

    Forearmed is forewarned. Advertisers use exactly the same methods to get people to buy things they don’t necessarily need.

    Oh, and other words not found in the Bible are: ‘shunning,’ ‘theocracy,’ ‘disfellowship,’ and ‘judicial committee.’

    Frank V

  99. Frank says:

    Hi guys. Thanks for the support. This is not the only time my words have been misunderstood. On another site I told Skyrainbow that all the others had “got her number.” A lady called Ruth saw this as an “indirect threat” to Skyrainbow. Someone got in before me and explained that the expression merely means that people (after I had cut-and-pasted her comments from a previous site) could see Sky for what she really was. I asked Ruth how I could have got Skyrainbow’s number!

    The above now-less-controversial comment was taken from an article I’d written for another site. In it I was trying to expose how language can be used powerfully to elicit an emotional response from the readers. Advertisers use this all the time to sell their products, even one that the buyer has no particular need for! And this was only from 208 words!

    The word ‘apostate’ is not even found in the Bible. It’s used to describe a person who was critical of the first century Christian apostles. By using, for instance, the expression, “Jehovah’s Organisation” in place of “governing body” the impression is given that all that this group of imperfect men say is somehow “God-breathed.” Each person needs to evaluate their conclusions based on what evidence is available and not be swayed by cleverly-hewn expressions that contain obvious persuasion-methods.

    Other words commonly used in a religions context that are not found in the Bible are: “disfellowship,” “judicial committee,” “theocracy.” And there are many more.

    Frank V

  100. mokihermida says:

    I cant see anyone going to an elder in these cases

  101. Frank says:

    Hi Cedars, are you removing my comments? I wrote to thank those who have supported the quoted comments above and would like to advise against written propaganda.

    Frank V

  102. Frank says:

    Hi Cedars. It’s just that I have placed one comment two times and both have gone when I came on the site again.

    Never mind, I’ll try again later.


    Frank V

  103. Frank says:

    Hi Cedar. Thanks for unspamming a comment containing the name-that-should-not-be-mentioned.

    Frank V

  104. Julia Orwell says:

    Hi Frank, how are you?

  105. Frank says:

    I’m fine, thanks, Julia; how are you?

    Frank V

  106. Julia Orwell says:

    Tired as! Been working for the first time in ages. Man it’s hard to get back into it.

    Still working on my fade too. No one at the KH has suspected anything yet, and Tuesday night I stayed home because I had to work Wednesday and used that as an excuse. Time will tell.


  107. Frank says:

    Hi Julia. Sooner or later you’ll be ‘missed.’ I’ve told the elders in my congregation that I will not have two elders in the same room with me, mostly because of a historical betrayal that they handled characteristically badly.

    If two elders call, ask them if the purpose of their visit is judicial. If not (“double the love” is the usual reason) tell them to choose which elder will stay. This will probably send them away as no single elder can meet with a sister.

    Use the same tactic if two sisters call. The purpose behind the “double the love” routine is to have a second witness to what you say. Beware.

    If you end up with a single sister, make small talk, nothing controversial.

  108. russell says:

    excellent advice heed it well

  109. Marlanda says:

    I have many sleepless nights lately because of the abuse I endured being raised as a JW. I am now using those sleepless nights to inform myself of the atrocities of this organization. I am thoroughly DISGUSED!

  110. Jessi says:

    I agree with Lynne, I was speechless and teary when reading his story and listen to it too. I went through a similar experience and now that I’m disfellowship because I ask to be I still have nightmares but one thing for sure is it make me a better mother to protect my kids and I will believe them no matter what, and I will make it my business that if something like that ever happen to them in the JW congregation or elsewhere, I would make sure that bastard will rot in jail.

  111. John Smith says:

    Not sure where you stand with all of this. I was brought up a JW and struggled with many of this stuff myself. My mother who is still a JW would constantly argue with me about the Bible. Her favourite saying was “you never read the Bible, so what do you know”. Well after many years later I decided to do what she said. I sat down and read the New Testament word for word, front to back. I was blown away by what I discovered. The main thing was that Salvation was there for all of us not just a few JW’s. It is a free gift from God, if we want it. It is gained through our Savior, Jesus Christ, not some nineteenth century man made Organization. The word “organization” cannot even be found in the Bible. Don’t be Hog swaggled into believing that the Bible is an organizational book that can only be interpretated by JW’s. It is written for everybody and very easy to understand. The reason JW’s don’t want you to read it by yourself is because they wouldn’t be able to alter your thinking then. Funny thing, after doing this all of a sudden my mother just does not want to talk about it anymore, nor does my younger brother. I almost feel cheated. So if you want to shut a JW up just arm yourself with as much knowledge as possible. When they don’t have any answers, they go away.I suppose they are a form of a cult but I prefer to call it “false religion” because as you will find out by reading the New Testament, of which they themselves will say that it was written for us today, that none of their Doctrines can be substantiated by the Bible. Check it out. Don’t take my word for it, find out for yourself. It will set you free. A really good book for help with this is “Twenty Questions Jehovah Witnesses Cannot Answer” by Dr Charles Love. It can be acquired at most book stores. My daughter gave it to me for my birthday, of which I can now acknowledge. There really is life after JW’s. It is so nice to just feel normal and enjoy all of the finer things that life has to offer. Another thing that might be of help to you is the three things that make up a cult. (1) Teaching…Do the group’s teachings agree with the Bible? (2) Leadership…Does the group claim Jesus as its leader, or does it worship an earthly leader? (3). Motivation…What is the group’s primary reason for existence? To serve God? Or to serve the interests of the group itself or its earthly leaders? Considering all this , pretty much sounds like JW’s , right? Really nice to hear that progress is finally being made in sexual abuse. Hats off to all those involved in this. Maybe we can all keep this going , even if it is one person at a time. Hope this helps.

  112. John says:

    Julia i’m a x member who is now 55 yrs old. I became indoctrinated with the wtbs when my parents joined back in early 70′s. I was forced by my elder father to be baptized at age 15 or else!! my older brother hit the road at 14 yrs old and said he wanted to take a shot gun to my fathers head because he was so bent on us being JW’s. Our family ties run deep on the elite side of those involved from former missionary’s to Branch OS. My own uncle conducted the wtbs orchestra. So I know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes and how hypocritical they are. I was 21 when I married so I could get out of my unhappy family life. I faded away sort of speak and finally after 12 yrs and 3 kids my x pushed me out of her life. Why? because I didn’t agree with the doctrines and policys of this man made religion. I told her I was agreeable to being a non believer and raising our children the best we could. That woman kicked me,spit at me and slapped my face over me refusing to go to the KH. Does that sound like a fine Christian? Well what ensued was a break up then a divorce over trumpted up charges against me. The tribunal committee said I should perhaps pray for them by the time I got done with them. In fact shortly later on one of the elders who was conducting the TM school and came to my house was Df for having a affair. How ridiculous! So here after they df me I was a alone person with no one to talk too. Having been brainwashed with wtbs thinking since 11 yrs old I now had a awakening. Those who you thought were true friends were only actually conditional friends on their own terms. So at 33 I was on my own without a family. So I proceeded to make some of the best loving friends among good people who would never turn their backs on you and not judge you for who you are. To this day I have those friend’s and they are good law abiding people who enjoy life. So you see until you walk across the street and see the grass just doesn’t appear greener but actually is you will never know how brainwashed you are. So my advice to you is keep doing good because what goes around comes around. I am so so much happier for it.

  113. Ben says:

    Julia, I must inform you of something very important of which you’re evidently not aware. I have strong reason to believe that when JWs lend help after natural disasters, the organization profits immensely in a monetary way. The insurance money for the repairs is turned over to them. Consider the fact they get 100% free labor and materials either donated or purchased very cheaply in bulk. On a lot of construction jobs, the labor is the biggest is expense and the organization gets the labor totally free. It makes huge profits. I’ve heard accounts of crews tearing off perfectly good roofs missing only a couple of shingles just because those roofs were insured and there was money to be made.

    I’ve often thought about the fact the organization is very reluctant to help except in situations in which it can profit. When I was pioneering, I was never helped in any way. I often had no transportation and sometimes even nowhere to live. No help for me.

    I actually think they’re wrong to help after natural disasters. They pumped into my head the notion that the main way we help people is spiritually. If they had the truth, I would agree with that – that it would be far better to help people spiritually than materially. If the organization is going to provide material help though, then why not help JWs who are really in need of help – those who have sacrificed and who, due to no fault of their own, really need help. Do those who have nice houses with insurance policies to repair those houses need help? Not as much as some others who will never receive help. Since those houses in natural disaster areas are insured, then why not just let the secular world tend to them and let JWs get on with their more important spiritual work? I know why – because there are dollars to be made. I recently heard a radio documentary about the huge profits to be made after natural disasters and the cutthroat competition for the money. The contractor being interviewed complained about all the volunteer help that was cutting into his business. He pointed to a volunteer group (not JWs – can’t remember the exact name, but it had the word “Samaritan” in it) that had a huge brand new Caterpillar excavator. He said “I can’t compete with that; I can’t compete with free”. What he doesn’t know is that they’re not doing the work for free; they’re getting the insurance money; that’s why they’re there. What he can’t compete with is that he has to pay labor and the volunteer groups don’t.

    Consider also those individuals who volunteer to help in natural disaster areas. While some might have genuinely good intentions, I know for a fact that many, if not most, go for the excitement, etc. It’s like a fun adventure. They’d rather do that than participate in the ministry and go to boring meetings.

    Consider also the fact that the organization brags immensely in its publications about the disaster relief work. Jesus said not to let your left hand know what your right is doing, but the org brags and blows a loud trumpet announcing what it has done. I bet it won’t tell you how much money it’s made on those disasters, though.

    I could go on and on about this, but let me just make the point again. The organization makes big profits on natural disasters. Don’t view the natural disaster relief work as a positive.

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