Millions are oblivious to the preaching work, but “there is no need for us to be overly concerned”

Jehovah's Witnesses preaching in New York on the 9/11 anniversary - but what about the lack of converts in the Asian and Arab world?
Jehovah’s Witnesses preaching in New York on the 9/11 anniversary – but what about the lack of converts in the Asian and Arab world?

A prominent feature of Jehovah’s Witness teachings is the solemn belief that Armageddon will strike imminently, whereupon divine forces will slaughter pretty much everyone who isn’t a Witness.

Not only is this proposition outrageous and obscene to anyone of modest intellectual capacity who is not under Watchtower’s undue influence, it also poses a problem in Watchtower theology itself. What happens to the millions of people in parts of Asia and the Arab world who will never get to hear the Witness message?

Thus far, a meaningful answer by Watchtower to this conundrum has been notable by its absence. This continues to be the case in the latest December 15th study edition where the issue is masterfully sidestepped.

“When we meditate on the meaning of Jesus’ illustration [of the leaven at Matt. 13:33], we realize that there is no need for us to be overly concerned about how the Kingdom message will reach the millions who have not yet heard it. Jehovah has everything under control. But what is our work? God’s Word answers: ‘Sow your seed in the morning and do not let your hand rest until the evening; for you do not know which will have success, whether this one or that one, or whether they will both do well.’ (Eccl. 11:6)” – Watchtower 12/15 2014 pp.9-10

In case you are wondering what Matthew 13:33 says, here it is (from the revised New World Translation)…

“He told them another illustration: “The Kingdom of the heavens is like leaven that a woman took and mixed with three large measures of flour until the whole mass was fermented.”

And so it is that, because leaven ferments in bread in a process that is “unseen,” Witnesses are to adopt an “out of sight, out of mind / it’ll be alright on the night” attitude to the fact that millions in eastern countries don’t even know what a Jehovah’s Witness is.

Watchtower is essentially saying to any Witness who dares to show concern about the potential slaughter of such ones: “stop asking impertinent questions, and get back to work!”

As this website has previously noted, either a person’s salvation is dependent on him or her responding to the preaching work, or it isn’t. If accepting the ‘good news’ IS a prerequisite, then millions will soon be struck down for the simple ‘crime’ of being born on the wrong side of the planet. If is ISN’T a prerequisite, then what is the point of the preaching work in the first place, beyond a token show of obedience?

No matter how much Watchtower may evade the problem, it isn’t going away any time soon. The map below shows (in red) all the countries where the preaching work is currently under ban (the so-called “30 other lands”)…

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The publisher-to-population ratio for the area in red is 1:50,000 (one Jehovah’s Witness for every 50,000 people). The Witnesses aren’t even scratching the surface in a vast part of the globe spanning from the Atlantic ocean to the Korean peninsula!

And the following video, which uses data from the 2014 Yearbook, explains how the ratio is even worse in some countries where the work is not under ban. For example, you are far more likely to meet a Witness in one of the “30 other lands” than in Bangladesh, where the ratio is a staggering 1 Witness per 775,000 people.

The way Watchtower shrugs its shoulders at the fate of millions of non-Westerners is alarming enough, but the total indifference is driven home later in the magazine when the writers attempt to make Witnesses proud of their “spiritual heritage.”

“Only about 1 in every 1,000 people alive today has an accurate knowledge of the truth, and you are one of them. Should that not give all of us, no matter how we learned the truth, cause for rejoicing?” – Watchtower 12/15 2014 page 30

In other words, “don’t worry that 999 out of 1,000 are about to perish. Rejoice in the fact that you are among the special 0.1% who will survive divinely-mandated mass slaughter by obeying the Governing Body!”

For a group of men who pride themselves on “humility,” the solipsism,  self-centeredness and indifference with which the Governing Body greets the obliteration of all who don’t see the world exactly as they do is something to behold.

 

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144 thoughts on “Millions are oblivious to the preaching work, but “there is no need for us to be overly concerned”

  • September 13, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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    When I meet JWs on the street with their stalls; the last two times were Oxford Circus in London during August, and two weeks ago in the main shopping and ‘seaside fun’ street in Yalta, I confront them straightway with the fact they look forward to the day that God executes me.

    That preempts any of their soft soap Paradise Earth twaddle. They merely smile with embarrassment and are clearly impatient for me to depart. Theocratic Ministry School has not prepared them for encounters with those of us who know the truth about their disgusting ‘TRUTH’.

    I hope this approach at least sows some seeds of doubt. Any other ideas on how best to communicate with, and thus rescue, active JWs, would be most welcome.

  • September 13, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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    Isn’t one of the reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses have the only true religion because of the identifying mark of the love they show?

    What hypocrites! They only love the 0.1% who will survive Armageddon, yet don’t have any love, pity or mercy left over for the rest of the world.

    How arrogant and selfish to rejoice over themselves! How can they continue to believe that God’s arm is so short it can only save them?

    Great post Cedars, very revealing.

  • September 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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    Another one of the W,T’s, fabulous claims exposed, and now virtually
    admitting the impossibility of preaching their dogma to “All the inhabited
    earth”. Matt, 24/14 NWT.

    Apart from the billions in China ( It would take over a quarter of a century
    just for that population to walk past you.) and the other 29 lands where
    the ratio of publishers to population make it clear that, that part of the
    “Composite Sign” will not be fulfilled in “This Generation” or for many
    generations to come. And then there are remote tribes in the South
    American Forrest, New Guinea, India, and Africa, who have no contact
    with the outside world.

    Then the callous attitude, To rejoice if your one in a thousand
    that’s made it to safety. Thats is not the attitude that people claiming
    to be Christian should display. Jesus made it clear that even ONE
    sheep was valuable in Gods eyes. Luke,15/3-7. Matt,12/12.

  • September 13, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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    omg, omg, countrygirl has duplicated herself!

    Cedars, may I share the content of the private email I sent to the “editor” on the subject of spirit/soul/life-force and the implied theological import which is taken for granted?

    Jehovah has it under control–well, I suppose that’s why He [Taliban..] blew up the two Buddha statues in Afghanistan so these empty stone niches could “cry out” the message of salvation?

  • September 13, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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    JBob, What can I say? imacountrygirl was already taken, and I didn’t want to call myself imacountrygirl1, which, to my simple mind, only left imacountrygirl2.

    Calm yourself, I admit I may have mislead you with the 2, hence the exclamation of your one ! but, there is only 1 (one) of me.

    I have existed for many years as one, strange that you are the only one who has ever said that about me. I never saw it coming.

  • September 13, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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    c’mon cedars, you are making a big deal of nothing. they said don’t be “overly concerned”. overly means “to an excessive degree”. Your website is going downhill fast, my friend. one poor post after another.

    • September 13, 2014 at 11:46 pm
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      Oh I see, so “overly concerned” means to an “excessive degree?” So it’s ok to be moderately concerned? Phew.

      I guess that means that the answer to what God will do to the millions who don’t know what a Jehovah’s Witness is when Armageddon strikes is contained elsewhere in the paragraph. Hang on, let me check…

      Nope, not there. Your point?

  • September 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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    Jay, I for one, would love to see something positive and up-building about the Governing Body, The Watchtower or Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    I don’t think any of us deny that there are not any sincere, honest-hearted people among Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Maybe you can locate something positive and share it with us?

  • September 13, 2014 at 7:19 pm
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    Jay doesn’t seem to realise that the End of the World already happened for the remaining JWs back in 1975 with their Epic Failure of the Battle of Armageddon following their 50th Anniversary Celebration of the earlier Failure of 1925 which failed to see the return of any of the Ancient Worthies. This was 11 years after the earlier date of 1914 which was another failure date for the Battle of Armageddon following 40 years of preaching work by the Bible Student who recognised the return of Christ as being back in 1874 which even modern day JWs knew was true up until 1943 when they changed it. Modern Day JWs are nothing more than Apostate Bible Students who have betrayed almost everything CT Russell and his Bible Students believed in. Following the Message of the Jonestown Massacre of 1978 the whole JW Movement is Really redundant. But to WHOM can all these millions go to once they Become Wide Awake! to this Fact???

    • September 13, 2014 at 7:36 pm
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      Gah! No! I am fully awake and out!

      But, y’all are going to push away JWs that are ready to be awakened. Sad you cant see my point!

      • September 13, 2014 at 9:30 pm
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        Slagging off another’s efforts at trying to awaken JWs may be a first step, Jay.

        How do you suggest proceeding? There is a plethora of YouTube vids and blogs. JWFacts.com, AAWA, Silent Lambs, Six Screens of the Watchtower, loads of Facebook groups. Each has its own tactics; we all share the same goal; the utter transformation or, ideally, the elimination of the Watchtower.

        Has any other religion or movement produced so many ex or anti groups? There is little that can be learned from history as the internet age is barely 20 years old.

        Has any other malign organisation been exposed and bankrupted so recently?

        Anyway, back to the main point. Jay, do you have any positive ideas? If so, please share.

  • September 13, 2014 at 8:39 pm
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    I live in Canada where there is no ban and they are free to preach their slop, yet in the 13 years living here, they have come by a meager 3 times pushing literature at me with no clear message. Most people here know very little about them. Because they don’t celebrate Christmas, many think they don’t even believe in Jesus, and this is in a part of the world where preaching is supposedly done regularly. How could a God of love destroy people for not taking a magazine pushed on you by a door to door salesman?

  • September 13, 2014 at 9:02 pm
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    I still remember a talk from over 20 years ago when the speaker practically yelled: if you want the New System to come get out there and start preaching because it’s not going to come until everyone hears the Good News!

  • September 13, 2014 at 9:06 pm
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    jay, I do see your point, as I’m sure many on here do. How do you suggest we help our brothers and sisters to awaken? I have not heard anyone come up with an answer to that.

    I take no pleasure in beating a dead horse to death. I ask in all sincerity because I want to talk to my family one more time before any of our life spans run out.

    What can we possibly do to wake them up jay? Anybody?

    • September 13, 2014 at 11:48 pm
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      We can start by slagging off the efforts of those who are actually waking people up. Apparently that’s what jay wants us all to do.

      • September 14, 2014 at 6:12 am
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        It seems that Jay’s slagging off mission is complete. Will we get any positive suggestions?

        Certainly the former is a tad easier than the latter and putting into effect the latter and achieving success is the hardest of all.

        Set the bar low, and the job is soon done. Congratulations, Jay – a winning formula! Negativity rules.

  • September 14, 2014 at 1:45 am
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    @JAY.

    This website is not going downhill, it like any other information site has not caught your interest for a while. But it has caught mine. This article is very very interesting to ME. Interesting enough to pass on to others. Are you after huge headline info all the time. The point is, with this ammunition I PERSONALY can explain the ratio of “1-884 witnesses wordwide” to the next JW who calls and ask them to explain to me how the work is speeding up. John asks a very thought provoking question at the end. My question is this. If there is a god who cares, why on earth isn’t he making his presence more clear in this so called ‘time of the end’ millions now living WILL die according to his word. Or maybe not. Which one is it Jay. So you see I got a lot from the article. Why not try another website. You are allowed to uou know.

  • September 14, 2014 at 2:53 am
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    All interesting stuff r.e the preaching work.

    An observation I have made is this , there are no go areas for J.Ws even in the U.K .

    Certain areas of certain Towns are off limits .

    • September 14, 2014 at 2:56 am
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      Great observation Alan.

  • September 14, 2014 at 2:56 am
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    “Millions now living will soon be destroyed” should now be the rallying call of all loyal and obedient Witnesses. Bit of a change to “Millions now living will never die” slogan.

    However, the September 2011 Watchtower article, What is Armageddon? said only the incorrigibly wicked will be destroyed at Armageddon. If that is the case, then what is the point in Witnesses devoting so much time and energy to the publishing work? I guess they can just turn round and say they don’t know who will be saved – it’s up to Jehovah. But surely that suggests you don’t have to be a Jehovah’s Witness to survive Armageddon?

    Twelve Reasons for Preaching (Kingdom Ministry June 2012, page 1, U.S. edition) said this:
    1. It helps save lives.
    7. It is a requirement for our own salvation.

    Ah, so unless they do as the Governing Body says and devote all their time, energy and money to the preaching work, they themselves will not be saved!

    Strange, but I thought Jesus said salvation depends upon belonging to Him, not to an organsiation. Also, that He said the end wouldn’t come till the gospel had been preached throughout the entire world. If we have to depend upon Jehovah’s Witnesses fulfilling the divine mandate to this extent then we will have a long wait.

    It’s a good job God is in control and that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Christ Jesus before he ascended to heaven after his resurrection (Matthew 28:18) which disproves the JW claim Jesus had to wait till 1914.

  • September 14, 2014 at 3:46 am
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    John,

    I think this was an excellent article! The utter callousness of their opinion astounds me, especially as there is a very easy out to their conundrum!

    I thought that JESUS CHRIST was the one to judge humanity? Well, if he is doing the judging why worry? Would Jesus kill anyone who wasn’t wicked?

    But they can’t rely on the mercy of Christ because they have no mercy themselves! Their property empire would be null and void then, wouldn’t it? No need for expensive printing facilities if we rely on the mercy of Christ! No need for prohibitive undue influence if we rely on the mercy of Christ!

    Etc etc

    I am an unbeliever, but surely that is the way to get through to folks who profess that Christ is their saviour?

    Jay, I really fail to take your point. As has been said, there are a plethora of ex JW sites, some more geared to believers than others. If this site doesn’t do it for you, then there are plenty of other ways you can share your thoughts and opinions on the internet. Bon chance!

    I love it when these knuckleheads ( thanks for the term, Mickey!) trip themselves up! My explanation solves the problem, but raises far more important ones to a property empire! They can’t say that the mercy of Christ will protect the ignorant and the innocent, because then why have their religion at all? Why have billions of dollars worth of property and other assets? Why fill in forms and present literature?

    Keep up the good work, John. You are definitely on the right track.

    Peace be with you

    Excelsior!

  • September 14, 2014 at 4:57 am
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    Actually, they don’t even love that 0,1%. Notice the fighting, the spying,the envies, jealousies, slanders, abuses of power among themselves in the congregations!! It’s pathetic!

  • September 14, 2014 at 5:08 am
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    Has anyone seen or even heard of so much I’ll will in any other group, church, work, school, organization, as there is in most JWs congregations? I’ve been in many all over and I haven’t.

  • September 14, 2014 at 5:14 am
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    Mind control.

    *** km 8/96 p. 1 par. 5 No Letup in Declaring the Good News ***
    Young ones also manifest zeal for the ministry. A family of Witnesses in Rwanda were put in a room where soldiers prepared to kill them. The family asked permission to pray first. This was granted, and the young daughter, Deborah, prayed out loud: “Jehovah, this week Papa and I placed five magazines. How are we going to get back to these people to teach them the truth and help them get life?” Because of her strong faith and her love for the ministry, the entire family was spared.

    Does that mean that others who were killed did not have strong faith and love for the ministry?

  • September 14, 2014 at 5:38 am
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    ILL WILL (sorry)

  • September 14, 2014 at 7:22 am
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    I did some research about the reach of the JW.org website and it appears that only 1/6 of the witnesses and their friends actually visit the site on a monthly basis. this sounds like a major fail to me. See the small comments I wrote here. You are welcome to use this info at will. :)

  • September 14, 2014 at 7:36 am
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    I live in Canada, have been living at this address for 27 years……….they have come to our door twice.

  • September 14, 2014 at 7:38 am
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    I think that one of the reasons JWs accept the concept of billions of people being killed is because that huge number is so abstract. You need to bring it down to reality. For example, I have some neighbors who are a lovely little family. They have a beautiful little son named Rory. We have enjoyed watching him grow. Imagine for one second, my coming home one day to find beautiful Rory and his parents lying in the road- dead. The trauma would probably just about kill me! I can’t imagine saying,’There’s another meal for the birds to eat!’ and just stepping over them. Isn’t that what a sociopath would do? And yet this is what the GB says is going to happen after Armageddon, only times a million! Unless Jehovah plans to turn all the survivors into a bunch of sociopaths, the way the JWs interpret the scriptures in this regard is beyond the realm of possibility-especially in view of human nature. And yet the GB applies the scripture, ‘Neither will they be mourned or bewailed.’ Really? I don’t think so! I can’t imagine not caring about my neighbor’s deaths-even if I thought God killed them!

  • September 14, 2014 at 9:35 am
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    Hah! I remember those talks too. Maybe not said in those exact words, but certainly synonymous language.

    The logical flaw that tugged at me at the time was that God doesn’t *need* any of us to fulfill his will, and numerous scriptures are clear on that point.

    Can you really imagine ‘Jehovah’ thinking to himself: ‘well, I was going to start the great tribulation, but Bob failed to go out in service this morning’ …

  • September 14, 2014 at 11:08 am
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    I believe Jehovah will be fair and spare the lives of all people who didn’t have the opportunity to learn about him, Jesus, or the Kingdom message.
    Armageddon is not the final judgment period of mankind.
    After Armageddon will come the one thousand year reign of Christ whereby Satan and his demonic followers will be abyssed, unable to mislead mankind during that period. During this thousand year period all people will have the opportunity to learn about God and decide for themselves if God’s way is for them. The Final judgment for mankind will come after the thousand year reign of Christ has been reached and Satan is released from the abyss for a short time before finally being destroyed.
    So, God will make sure that all of us will have had the opportunity to side with him or Satan before he destroys anyone.

    • September 14, 2014 at 11:13 am
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      Thanks for sharing your thoughts Biggiecuzz, and welcome to JWsurvey. So if Jehovah is going to grant a supernatural test of loyalty to millions of people just before Armageddon, irrespective of the preaching work, what is the purpose of the preaching work at all? Or is it all just a token show of obedience?

    • September 14, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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      Too true Biggiecuz. As St. Augustine of Hippo calculated, in the City of God, the world is due to end in 1658, six thousand years after Man’s creation. Christipher Columbus (and he was no fool) relaised this and thus planned his trip to Jerusalem going West. The Holy City would thus be recaptured for Christ from the Infidel in time for the End. And as you know, I am sure, from that grand text, Columbus’ Book of Prophecies, Columbus’ voyages were prefigured by Isaiah who told us that the Word of the Lord would be taken to the Distant Isles. That could only have referred to Spanish Catholicism being brought to Cuba by Columbus himself! And soon, very soon, as so beautifully described in the closing chapters of the Book of Revelation, Solomon’s Temple will descend from the skies to replace the Dome of he Rock in Jerusalem and the followers of Pastor Russell will be raptured to the skies, just as St. Paul said, and the wicked will be consigned to their fiery fate. The Red Heifer project is proceeding apace; ditto the design of the loom for a seamless garment, so that the new High Priest from the Tribe of Levi, albeit converted to Christianity, will be correctly annointed and robed according to the Holy Torah after the Final Judgement. Gog, Magog and the Mahdi’s expectations, based on phoney Satanic Hadiths will be confounded and they will follow the chained Satan to the Bottomless
      Pit.

      You are so right, Biggiecuz; Azaael had deceived so much of humanity that they no longer attend early Mass; some women go to prayer bare headed and even Auxiliary Pioneers of Jehovah slacken on their monthly in service hours.

      But, fear not, the Kingdom is at Hand. The Sixth Angel has sounded his trumpet and a New Crusade has been ordered by the Crown Prince of the Holy Roman Empire.

      You and I, BiggieCuz, together with the ghost of the late Reverend Iain Paisley, will guide the Sheep through the Great Tribulation!

  • September 14, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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    If god is the father of all men, why would he reveal the truth to
    just a select few.? Why would he give conflicting information to
    others.? Why all the different religious books.? What was so
    special about C, T Russell, or J,F Rutherford.?

    What father would create such confusion among his family. Each
    member claiming they were given the truth and the others were
    liars.? and as a result causing disharmony, hatred, and slaughter.

    All religions were created by MEN and the claim of divine revelation
    rests on their word only. Religions were invented to to control men
    and to make money. All offering salvation for sale

    Any danger to the world will not come from an Armageddon
    but is more likely to come from religion it’s self.

  • September 14, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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    Brilliant response John; Just proves the ludicrous and illogical nature of most of the WT teaching. Any organization, person or entity that claims to have absolute truth or backing from a “higher power” deserves nothing but a class in critical thinking skills. Just saying “well its true because I said so” is not good enough.

  • September 14, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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    Rowland Nelken, Was it really necessary to use such sarcasm with Biggiecuzz, who is a new person to this site?

    I know we all have very divergent views when it comes to belief in God or not….and everything in between.

    The least we can do on this site is to show brotherly love and respect to each other. I know how hard that can be when we have all been damaged in some degree by actions of the Governing Body. Our scars and our pain are still fresh in our minds, no matter how much time has passed.

    I’ve spent a lifetime of setting conditions on love, judging everybody else and condemning them when I thought they were not worthy, being a hypocrite, being sarcastic, believing I was better than the masses of people on this earth because I had THE TRUTH.

    Old habits do die hard…and I am under constant pressure to revert to my old way of life. I am still in the on-going process of my own spiritual journey, as most of us are on this site.

    Now that my eyes are fully open, my goal in life is to be an example of doing unto others as I would have them do unto me. Showing love to others is my new way of life.

    It is my hope that love of our fellow man is the one thing we all have in common.

    • September 14, 2014 at 2:08 pm
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      No, of course it was not necessary. These End TImes characters, however, sometimes are helped by being shown that there is nothong special, and certainly not unique about their Judgement Day fantaises. They have littered the history of the Abrahamic religions since their inception. As a JW, I imagined I had unique insight because I knew the Bible was about more than Baby Jesus and Moses in the bulrushes.

      Hopefully Biggie Cuz may begin to realise that his ‘special’ ideas are but a retread of prophecies and interpretations that have been cluttering the world up for centuries.

      What they have in common, of course, is that they have all been, and will all be, wrong.

  • September 14, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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    Stephane Laliberte says:

    “I did some research about the reach of the JW.org website and it appears that only 1/6 of the witnesses and their friends actually visit the site on a monthly basis. this sounds like a major fail to me. See the small comments I wrote here. You are welcome to use this info at will. :)”

    Stephanie,

    I read your information and I was very intrigued by it! You must remember where you are posting however. First off, on JWN which is a website “operated” by barely cogent Canadians and actually run by a number of Watchtower agents and online representatives so if it isn’t written in Phonics? They aren’t going to get much out of it!
    This site? Is owned by a man scared of his own shadow and of questionable stability and motives as are his primary lackeys “George (Excelsior), the grown, grown man but basement dwelling Mommas Boy” who for some reason fancies himself the opinion and source of all things and “Rowland, soon to have a Breakdown at any moment” (so be careful what you say!) all of them with the underlying platform of the Humanist/”Atheist” religion as their overall objective and agenda. So I’d say you are posting in the wrong places is all but it is a very good post otherwise! I sympathize very much and understand which is what prompted me to post this reply.

    • September 15, 2014 at 12:12 am
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      Expositor – I mostly agree with your observations about JWN, but I would be grateful if you could expound on your insults towards me. Precisely why are my “motives” in question (any more than, say, your motives)? And how am I “scared of my own shadow” if I’m doing my work without anonymity, with my real name and likeness in the public domain?

  • September 14, 2014 at 1:41 pm
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    Totally agree with that. That is one reason I faded away, I didn’t feel the looooove in my very clique-ish congregation

    To paraphrase John : “How can they love the billions they have not seen when they do not love their brothers that they have seen?”

  • September 14, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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    That is, I agree with the comment of Gameisover referring to slander, jealousy, and the general lack of love WITHIN congregations (ooops, that was my first post !)

  • September 14, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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    Hello Cedars,
    The purpose of the preaching work is to help one come to know of Jehovah God and his ways: how he will grant peace and righteousness to those who love him while bringing an end to all wickedness by destroying all who oppose him.
    How one responds to his Kingdom message that is expressed from the Bible, (not from a JW publication) will determine whether one will make it to the other side of Armageddon.

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      I don’t think you understood my question. Never mind.

    • September 14, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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      Surely the words ‘Peace and Righteousness’ can have little or no connection with an organisation that has caused countless needless deaths through its blood policy, split families through shunning and protection of paedophiles through its 2 witness rule. That is quite apart from the nightmares caused through terror of the prospect of imminent Armageddon inspired by the series of duff prophecies which are the JWs’ principal hallmark.

      An organisation like the JWs , with its appalling track record, is in no position to preach to anyone about peace and righteousness.

      Have you read Cedar’s challenge, BiggieCuzz?

      Can you provide any evidence to show that the Watchtower Society was selected by Jesus as his exclusive earthly organisation back in 1918 when its theology was markedly different from that of today?

      Unless you can provide evidence of the divine appointment of the Watchtwer Governing Body, there is no reason for anyone to take seriously anything at all that you might be preaching, BiggieCuzz.

      In my rather flippant last post I reminded you that imminent Doomsday, Apocalypse preachers have littered the history of the Abrahamic religions. They have all bee wrong. JWs are simply A N Other.

      Please specify why JWs are so special and why anyone should take their preaching seriously.

  • September 14, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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    Biggiecuzz

    Hi. You say, you “Believe” Jehovah will be fair and spare the lives
    of those people who didn’t have the opportunity to learn about him”.

    Are you privy to Jehovahs private thoughts ? which would amount to
    divine inspiration. Are you starting a new religion.? You quote part of
    J,W, doctrine and then depart from it by interpolating your own thoughts.

    The W,T, has asserted, times without number, that the only survivors will be
    those allied to their Org, the symbolic Ark.

    Speaking of Jehovahs “Fairness” Is it fair that all mankind is condemned
    to death because of someone else’s fault ( the horrendous crime of,
    stealing an apple, or something) It’s against all principles of justice, not
    to mention being un believable.

    Was Jehovah Fair when he ordered Joshua to annihilate whole populations
    Including infants, who were unable to make any decisions for, or against
    Jehovah.

    I fully respect your right to believe how you will. But for me the Bible is just
    another man made book full of fantastic fables. I cannot give it any credence
    and that applies to the God Jehovah.

    Best wishes to you.

  • September 14, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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    Hi all,

    The global witnessing work will be done not by door to door salesperson like manner employed be the JWs.

    It will be accomplished by the sons of the kingdom before the governors and kings and the international news broadcast, as the wild beast worship will be imposed upon entire world.

    Mr 13:9-13
    9 “As for YOU, look out for yourselves; people will deliver YOU up to local courts, and YOU will be beaten in synagogues and be put on the stand before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them. 10 Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first. 11 But when they are leading YOU along to deliver YOU up, do not be anxious beforehand about what to speak; but whatever is given YOU in that hour, speak this, for YOU are not the ones speaking, but the holy spirit is.

    The WTS’ preaching work has nothing to do with the true kingdom preaching work by the sons of the kingdom.

  • September 14, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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    Ted,

    No, I am certainly not privy to Jehovah’s private thoughts, that is why I said that I BELIEVE that He would not destroy a person who didn’t know of him.
    I don’t go along with everything taught by JW’s and I will express my thoughts even if they are in oppostion to what they teach. That is what eventually got me DF’ed.

  • September 14, 2014 at 4:05 pm
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    Biggiecuzz
    Thanks for your reply I appreciate it. If I had known from what position
    You were coming from ( A Witness, or an ex witness, ) I would have
    phrased some of my thoughts differently.

    Best Wishes To You

  • September 14, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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    Expositor
    You seemed to use your post as an opportunity to indulge in
    name calling and character assassination. A sure way to
    lose your audience and your argument.

  • September 14, 2014 at 6:34 pm
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    To Expositor, You can never build yourself up by tearing someone else down.

  • September 14, 2014 at 6:55 pm
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    “I meant what I said and I said what I meant… an elephant’s faithful-one hundred percent” ~ Dr. Suess, from the classic ~ Horton Hatches the Egg!

    It either is or it is not! Facts as well as Truth is non- negotiable.

  • September 14, 2014 at 8:25 pm
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    Expositor, I agree with your statement: “Facts as well as Truth is non- negotiable.”

    What proof do you have that anything you claimed is true?

    That John Cedars is “a man scared of his own shadow and of questionable stability and motives”?

    That “George (Excelsior), the grown, grown man but basement dwelling Mommas Boy” who for some reason fancies himself the opinion and source of all things” is a “primary lackey” of John Cedars?

    That “Rowland, soon to have a Breakdown at any moment” is a “primary lackey” of John Cedars?

    That your statement that “all of them with the underlying platform of the Humanist/”Atheist” religion as their overall objective and agenda” is based on anything other than your own imagination?

    You said “It either is or it is not!” I believe we are all capable of discerning for ourselves whether what you claim is or is not true.

    Tearing them down in this manner is never going to build you up.

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