Error found in new “Silver Sword” revised New World Translation

It looks like the newly-released revision to the New World Translation is already a "limited edition"

It looks like the newly-released revision to the New World Translation is already a “limited edition”

Only a few days have passed since the revised New World Translation was released at the 129th Annual Meeting. But it looks like the first printing of this Bible (or “silver sword,” as some have nicknamed it) is already a limited edition.

Former Witnesses have found an error in the new Bible, ironically in the book of Numbers. The header to page 267 shows the page numbers going down from Numbers chapter 35 to Numbers chapter 33. The header should instead read “Numbers 32:37-33:22.” At the time of writing, this typo is also in the PDF version.

JWsurvey readers will remember Geoffrey Jackson’s grand unveiling of this new Bible, in which he suggested that Jehovah was responsible for the favorable weather conditions at Wallkill while it was being printed. If true, this would mean that Jehovah saw fit to manipulate the weather to speed up printing but somehow neglected to make sure Watchtower’s proofreaders were sufficiently scrupulous.


The header to page 267 from the revised New World Translation


Though not a huge mistake by any stretch, the typo does highlight that Watchtower publications are not as error-free as many Witnesses are led to believe. It will also be a source of considerable embarrassment to Watchtower that they must now correct their newly-revised Bibles and begin a new print run – with thousands of the faulty Bibles already in circulation. Watchtower’s writing team will also likely want to double-check each page to see whether there are any similar errors lurking elsewhere.

And those English-speaking Witnesses fortunate enough to receive the first new Bibles now have evidence in their book bags that Watchtower’s proofreaders are not as meticulous as you would expect.


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122 Responses to Error found in new “Silver Sword” revised New World Translation

  1. Amelia says:

    Looking forward to how they spin this error.

  2. JBob says:

    It’s not a typo, “new light” shows that the sequence of chapters in Numbers was incorrect in previous translations.

  3. Alexandre says:

    It’s not a bug, it’s a feature! ;-)

  4. Alexandre says:

    That’s a good one :-)

  5. Gypsy Sam says:

    Totally using this to make a point with my still-in family.
    Thanks, Cedars!

  6. Oubliette says:

    2011 Yearbook – “Tracing All Things with Accuracy”, p.9-13:

    “In summary, the Writing Department insists on using only material that is accurate and truthful, even regarding seemingly insignificant details. As a result, “the faithful and discreet slave” can consistently supply spiritual food that brings honor to ‘The God of truth,’ Jehovah.” – Ps. 31:5

  7. Oubliette says:

    Here’s a link to the 2011 Yearbook referenced in my previous post:

    As of this moment, the rNWT with the goof is still on-line uncorrected:

  8. whatevs says:

    Why revise it? I’m sure the new system will be here tomorrow.

  9. AAW says:

    Whatever happened to them being the only channel of God? They make it seem like whatever is printed is coming straight from Jehovah himself… As if Jehovah sat down and wrote those words. So, everyone in the looney house overlooked the numbers…. Probably the same happens with the amount of hours that are put in by the nearly 8 million blind JW’s …. Numbers are exaggerated, or put in “error”. Later, they claim that they’re all only human. They are so sure that they have their numbers right…. Down to the birth-year of Adam… As if they were there. This is a religion about numbers… Even if they get their numbers wrong.

  10. AAW says:

    Of course the end will be here tomorrow… Write that on your calendar, then go on a mountain top tonight before 12 midnight… and then wait for the end. If it doesn’t come… You can stay there on the mountain top cuz the end will be here at anytime now. Have fun!

  11. rip van winkle says:

    The ‘Silver Sword’ proofreader has proven to be none too sharp. And after this error , perhaps perceived as slightly tarnished.

  12. Imacountrygirl says:

    I take it that we now know the answer to your question from October 10…Will the NWT stand the test of time? Six days. Is that a new record?

    • JBob says:

      I’d also like to point out that we are also six days away from Oct. 22, the anniversary of the initial 1844 Great Disappointment date Oct. 22, 1844 when everyone went to Miller’s farm and awaited the Rapture Event.

      2014 – 1844 = 170 years?
      2013 – 1853 (Nelson Barbour) = 160 years?
      2014 – 1874 (Barbour, Storrs, Russell) = 140 years?
      2014 – 1914 (Russell) = 100 years?
      2012 – 1922 (Rutherford) = 90 [Beth Sarim]
      2015 – 1945 (Knorr) = 70 yrs [hushed rumor that WW2 end would be "it"]
      2015 – 1975 (“) = 40 yrs

      Just numbers.. just numbers..

  13. A Fire Inside says:

    Oh the irony of getting something wrong with ‘numbers’ … anyone see a pattern here?

  14. rip van winkle says:

    Irony yes! But haven’t they always gotten their numbers wrong!!

    And I find it ironic that the Holy Spirit that produced the right weather for the printing overlooked this error!

    They don’t make new light like they used to!!!

    ~~The silver sword has been tarnished by a less than sharp proofreader.~
    Rip Van Winkle

  15. Glad I Left the JWs says:

    What I would like to know is, why is the WTS spending so much money building ‘printing facilities’ in upstate NY when magazine readership is dying everywhere? People don’t even buy Bibles anymore, they’re easily available online…and of course without typos LOL!

  16. questionall451 says:

    God’s Organization does not make mistakes! He is just testing the friends to see who is really observant enough and who is who is just merely casually reading his word.

  17. Crazy 4 Jesus says:

    Proof of God’s blessing? Or they needed a proof reader! The infallible word of God has never been with them. I wonder if it will be a collectors item in the new order? Maybe this was why it took so long for it to come out, hold up demand then flood it.

  18. Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

    What about removing “strong testicles” from JEREMIAH 5:8, Was it an error?

    The verse used to read “Horses seized with sexual heat, having strong testicles, they have become. They neigh each one to the wife of his companion.” (!!

    Now it reads (from the “Silver Sword”):
    “They are like eager, lustful horses, Each neighing after another man’s wife.”

    “strong testicles” or “[strong] testicles” have gone!! An ERROR or an intentional OMISSION?

  19. Zeebo says:

    If they got these numbers wrong, then maybe 607BCE isn’t so solid after all?

  20. Excelsior, formerly known as George says:

    What is the deal with the printing? Do they imply that an angel of God stands over the shoulder of every bethelite?

    In any case, this is an embarrassment for the GB. To deliberately hold back announcement until a business meeting, to only give copies to “approved” witnesses, and then there’s a typo, a really obvious, silly, annoying typo.

    I really wouldn’t want to be the brother who was in charge of proof reading!! I can’t imagine we’ll see his name announced in some obscure webcast as a brand new member of the GB!!! Unless he already is……

    In any other organisation, this would be a costly error resulting in a loss of profit and a temporary embarrassment. Now the GB are the FADS, this error is symptomatic of the careless control the GB have over the organisation.

    It’s a nick in their armour of “God speaks to is through his Holy Spirit”

    Of course, they’ll try to spin it to their advantage. It will fool some poor souls who cling on, but for others, it may just be the catalyst that begins their journey back to reality.

    Good work as ever, Cedars!

  21. Kyp says:

    Wow, what a huge error :)

  22. Thinking of leaving says:

    This proves nothing and quite frankly I would think that you would have better things to write about.

  23. mark says:

    If you read Exodus 6:2-3. 2Then God said to Moses: “Iam Jehovah.3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

    It is clear that Jehovah did not reveal his name to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    If you compare Genesis 18:26-33 you can see that Abraham would not of used the divine name at that time.Even the Darby Bible Translation which has correctly inserted Jehovahs name into the Hebrew scriptures does not make this error!

    Genesis 18:26-33
    26. ”Then Jehovah said: “If I shall find in Sod′om fifty righteous men in the midst of the city I will pardon the whole place on their account.”
    27. But Abraham went on to answer and say: “Please, here I have taken upon myself to speak to Jehovah, whereas I am dust and ashes.
    28. Suppose the fifty righteous should be lacking five. Will you for the five bring the whole city to ruin?” To this he said: “I shall not bring it to ruin if I find there forty‐five.”
    29. But yet again he spoke further to him and said: “Suppose forty are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not do it on account of the forty.”
    30. But he continued: “May Jehovah, please, not grow hot with anger, but let me go on speaking: Suppose thirty are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not do it if I find thirty there.”
    31. But he continued on: “Please, here I have taken upon myself to speak to Jehovah: Suppose twenty are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not bring it to ruin on account of the twenty.”
    32. Finally he said: “May Jehovah, please, not grow hot with anger, but let me speak just this once: Suppose ten are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not bring it to ruin on account of the ten.”
    33. Then Jehovah went his way when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.
    You might be interested in this link which goes into greater detail [evangelical link removed, please see posting guidelines]

    This error appears in both editions of the NWT!

  24. Mike says:

    Speaking of numbers – anyone else think it is interesting that on page 1767 (appendix B1 “The Message of the Bible”) that Jesus hurls Satan to the earth “ABOUT” 1914. About? Change coming?

  25. Reader says:


    What is proves is inconsistency in GB statements. As Cedars pointed out, it was (perhaps flippantly) claimed that Jehovah had a hand in a trivial aspect, the weather during printing. However, it appears, being busy with Al Roker et al, Jehovah forgot to bless the proof-readers.


    That is a perfect example of how the faithful gloss over gaping errors to keep their beliefs.

  26. whatevs says:

    Hey everybody, you know how yesterday I said they shouldn’t bother revising it because the new system would be here tomorrow? Well this morning I got some new light (which could have just been the sun coming through the blinds but let’s not nitpick) and what I meant was that the new system would be here tomorrow’s tomorrow. They’re overlapping tomorrows, the tomorrow that blends in with the tomorrow after that. Yeah, that’s it. I’m sure this time.

  27. whatevs says:

    BTW, I just looked at it yesterday and is anyone else offended that the actual Bible starts on page 40? They put their little handbook on topics they chose in front, oh and by the way, here’s the Bible after if you want to browse that too. It’s like the Bible itself isn’t as important as their own thoughts on it. Granted it was just scriptures according to topic (as they saw fit to include) and not a big Watchtower article with their own words, but it still felt very wrong to me. The Bible should have come first and then whatever handy guides they wanted to print should have been in the back.

  28. ATS says:

    Talk about straining out the gnat peps!!

    • Cedars says:

      Thanks ATS. You are welcome to think of this news as trivial or “staining out the gnat,” and I myself acknowledge the error as “not a huge mistake by any stretch.” However, if you are a loyal Witness who is used to everything from the organization being absolutely fool-proof, this error is unnerving – especially given the grandiose claims about the Bible that were made during its release. I certainly won’t apologise for making my readers aware of this mistake through a brief article. Anyone who knows how reverential Watchtower publications are among Witnesses will regard this as newsworthy. Witnesses do NOT like to see proof that Watchtower is merely a human organization – especially in the Bibles they use every day.

  29. WT Critic says:

    Thank goodness for progressive light! If it wasn’t for this error and a fix later on I would never be able to wrap my mind around this bible.

  30. Buddhagan says:

    good point, whatevs. other than the table of contents, nothing should be in front of the bible if it’s that important.

  31. ATS says:

    Thanks for replying, i think its definitely fair enough to point out such an error and i have no quarrel with doing so. But it can easily lead to a loss of proper perspective on the matter, this is by my own standards a very minute mistake, perhaps worthy of a chuckle at best. (i might pen a 2 over the 5)
    But i feel taking into consideration the silly mistakes the faithful apostles of the first century made (e.g. the quarrel of who will be the greatest) and how Jesus never cast them away for making these mistakes, but instead handled the matter kindly and lovingly guided them, knowing they had the best intentions at heart and that that was what really mattered. Applying this example to one wrong number (where a 5 should have been 2) found in the silver sword should lead us to an obvious conclusion. That such a mistake is immaterial to Jehovah and Jesus, we are without shadow of a doubt ‘imperfect’ or ‘sinful’ regardless if the point is presented by an individual or a group or organisation.

    • Cedars says:

      Thanks ATS, I agree with many of your points. I definitely don’t think firm conclusions as to the credibility of Watchtower ought to be made on the basis of this one trifling mistake. There are plenty of other articles I have written (I am thinking specifically of those under the “Child Abuse” section) that DO offer pause for thought in that regard. As to your Jesus/apostles analogy, can I assume that you believe the Governing Body can be considered on a par with the apostles? If so, what is your basis for reaching this conclusion – or is it merely a matter of “faith?”

  32. ATS says:

    Thats a fair question to ask, i need to divide my answer into two if that makes sense.
    1) Personally i don’t think they are on par with the apostles. My reasons are many, though its a heavily controversial subject and something id rather keep personal because;
    2) I dont feel it is my place to judge the position of a fellow ‘slave’ (allow me to level the playing field) as we know we will be judged accordingly ourselves. Baring in mind how the scriptures explain that those who have greater responsibility will also have a harsher judgement, including those individuals who have neglected the basic rights of children in cases of abuse like you mentioned.

    On a side note, if i was in the position of handling a child abuse case i would have no hesitation in alerting the authorities in line with the principles found at 1 Cor 5:11-13 as well as the scriptures that talk about being in subjection to the law of the land.

    • Cedars says:

      Thanks for clarifying ATS.

      “On a side note, if i was in the position of handling a child abuse case i would have no hesitation in alerting the authorities in line with the principles found at 1 Cor 5:11-13 as well as the scriptures that talk about being in subjection to the law of the land.”

      I couldn’t agree with you more on that score!

  33. Se os do Corpo dos Governantes tivessem confiado a nós da Associação das Testemunhas de Jeová leigas/Associação das Testemunhas dos Deuses Santos esta tarefa, a Bíblia revisada não teria os erros grotescos mostrados.

    Agora eles que gastem de seus super-salários para fazer as correções, pois eu mesmo e nossos cooperados não vamos dá nosso dinheiro pra mais papel, energia, tinta . . .

    Apóstolo TDS

  34. JBob says:

    Error in the original text. All translations now render this multiple meaning Hebrew adjective/adverb pair as “well-fed”. The literal Hebrew could refer to “in heat” horses with plumbed testes, but the wording is a metaphor for adulterous characters.

    “They are well-fed, lusty stallions,
    each neighing for another man’s wife.” [NIV]

  35. jj says:

    well thats weird! we were always told that jesus was enthroned as king in 1914 and that satan was cast to the earth immediately – hence why world war 1 happened as he had great anger! so it is weird how the organization is now saying he was hurled down “about” 1914. there was never any “about” about it! maybe there will be some new understanding about it. however, it needs to be pointed out also that regards that time line, it doesnt say that jesus invisibly came and began ruling in 1914! considering how important that teaching is to jw’s, you would have thought that would be mentioned! but the only mention we have about 1914 is just about satan being thrown out of heaven. why havent they mentioned jesus’s invisible presence, his enthronement as king and that his rule began from 1914? seems very odd!

  36. jj says:

    just to clarify – my comment was a reply to what mike posted -”Speaking of numbers – anyone else think it is interesting that on page 1767 (appendix B1 “The Message of the Bible”) that Jesus hurls Satan to the earth “ABOUT” 1914. About? Change coming?”

  37. Dynamo says:


    Just curious, could your reasons for not believing the GB being on par with the apostles amount to “apostasy” if you made your views public?


  38. Darrin Hart says:

    LOL…..and on and on it goes….wow

  39. JBob says:

    I disagree with that sentiment. I think most hardcore, never-leaving JW’s will rationalize that the organization has a human factor in it, but that doesn’t negate it being “of God” and “of use by God [Jehovah]“. They will point to the mistakes by apostles and other “servants of the Lord [Jehovah]” and state that didn’t mean His favor had lifted, or anointing had been revoked. In short, they’ll gloss over it–love is blind.

    However, on the broader scale, we can still measure the blatant “false prophecies” and exaggerations.

  40. Bill Covert says:

    There is a MAJOR change in Lev.5:1 that this time the RNT gets it RIGHT. No body has picked up on it. It is taught that the man doing the “public cursing” was a sinner needed to be squeeled on to the Elders, that is an APOSTACY and a fraud! The man doing the “cursing” is in the “public place” or before the City Elders at the city gates with a claim that he had been wronged, the witness has never been a witness to the cursing as that was in a public place for all to witness. The “witness” is a witness as to the validity of the claim that is the issue of the “cursing mans” claim!
    The RNT correctly changes “curse” to “public call to testify” next “and he is a witness or has seen or learned about it and he does not report it then he will answer for his error”. The real meaning is that it was the “witness” that was the problem person as his silence prevented justice from being served to the “man” doing the “cursing”. There is no scripture in the Bible that directs brother to squeel on their brothers, it has always been a Nazi style control mechanism!
    This new correct understanding I first saw in a Wt. foot note in about 1967. There is a Wt. article “A Time to Speak When?” Sept 15. somewhere 1987-89 that gave the correct understanding in harmony with the new RNT. The article is about a nurse [now married to my uncle] Sharon Garig Fairfield Ca.. She was a nurse who saw on operations schedule two sisters scheduled for abortions she informed her Elders, the Elders confronted the women, the women had their abortions and my aunt was black balled for divuldiging confidentual recoprds. But there was a very acurate discussion as true meaning of Lev.5:1 though the application did not fit the subject matter.
    This summer in the talk “Human Apostates” there was mention of a man using letters to attack the loyal ones, that talk made the Danish newspapers as “hate speech”. I am that man who the WTBS is talking about and Lev. 5:1 is the corner stone of ten year letter writing campaign as it relates to a $4.250M securties swindle and the WTBS selling the swindler Raymond C. Dale San Diego area and Glenn Colombo Santa Cruz the word of God Isa.1:23 and “Simony”. Redding Calif. is the location of the “apostate letter writing campaign” centered around Lev.5:1. The issue of Lev.5:1 centers around two letters of criminal investigation one from Shasta County District Attorney’s office other from Calif. Dept. of Corporations [this investigation lead to Shasta Superior Court case #109555 in 1993] that South Redding Cong. Elders refused to foward to Service Dept as they were terrified of a “wolf pack” Acts20:29,30. I called Bruce Wheeler jr. and Bob O’Dell “fucking cowards” based on Lev.5:1 which required them to foward those letters they in turned “marked” me in retaliation. When I blew the whistle on Ray Dale’s swindling of a widow the Elders of the West Enterprise Cong deceived the WTBS as some were investors in “Dale and Colombo Financial Planners inc”. Ray Dale the BMOC in Redding as he purchased power from circuit overseers Billy Ford, Harley Brennaman and DO Stephen Coinavich through Simony [look it up research 1Pet.5:2 and you will find discussion as to CO's and Do's selling the positions of favor Simony for dishonest gain]. Ray Dale’s 25 year career of swindling the elderly started in San Diego as he was a bit player in that large fraud case in the late 70′s or early 80′s when the WTBS sent in people to clean the mess Dale tucked his tail between his legs and ran out of town to Brookings Ore.. He was imported to Redding by Co Billy Ford [a little lying cowardly bully!] he had a quick rise to power able to “divide and conquer” so as to be able to be the WTBS go to guy providing all the information to the Service Dept. as to how he was swindling widows [much like Gonzalo Campos deceiving of his molesting children] he was backed up by some crony’s he moved in with him and Elder investors. Dale exited Redding again with his tail between his legs as he publicly campaigned for President of the Chamber of Commerce in a shopping news paper, his crony’s provided him with a deceptive letter of recomendation to Del Mar Ca. Cong.
    In May 2004 my wife left as I was a threat to her spiruality [no need to go into detail as to cost of shunning; 5 sons, their wives, 8 or 9 ? grandchildren most of whom I have never seen and $36,000 annual alimony]. In Dec 2004 I was dfed for sending letters to the flock using Lev.5:1 to publicly call B. Wheeler and B. O’Dell “fucking cowards” for refusing to foward letters of criminal investigation. NOW the story gets interesting. I was in Anderson Ca. cong. but draged into South Redding cong on bogus charges of “reviling” I hand my stuff together. The Appeals is where the action was at. Joe Moore head judge had no problem the the df committee had no jursidiction or letters of criminal investigation gave substance to the true meaning of Lev.5:1 I had my stuff together! The real importance was he let a cat partically out of the bag as regards to court case #149893 when I was dealing with court case #109555, since then I have been known as “Rabshakeh” the apostate for a 9 year letter writing campaign of “mind fucking”. I have become very, very good with “fucking minds”.
    In 2007 there was a fleeting thought that went through my mind to hire a privite investigator and he uncovered Shasta County Superior Court case #149893 where Ray and Carol Dale were swindling a widow out of a deed of trust the start date on that case was Oct. 2003 it ended in March 2004 my wife left in May of 2004! The WTBS had kept secret that Dale was swindling another widow!!! Had the WTBS been up front and reveled that indeed Ray Dale had a 25 year history of swindling widows in their organization my wife would of never left and I would of still had my family. Ray and Carol were unceremoniously thrown out of the organization with the statement that “they left on their own volition with a bad attitude”. Since then it seems Ray Dale has a secret ability to play a skin flute. I took the court transcript of case #149893 and did exactly what Martin Luther did and taped it to the Redding KH doors on Dec.26 5 days later Dec.31 Bruce Wheeler Jr. was dead with a heart attck as to his actions relating to Lev.5:1, the irony was it was my #5 son who was on the fire truck that did cpr on the SOB all the way to the hospital! In the letter writing I was up front that I was attacking the cowardly hearts of cowardly elders. This position based solely on the phrase “then he must answer for his error” Lev.5:1! I was out for blood!
    So here in Redding Calif. is a major drama centered around Lev.5:1 and the WTBS selling the Word of God to a penis sucker Isa.1:23! And that is the story of the letter writing of the “Human Apostate” talk this summer. I killed one Elder and I am fucking minds to over load Elders with cowardly hearts into a position that they realize that if justice is to ever to be done that the WTBS would do to them what they did to me. This all hinges on the fact that these Elders either deceived OR refused to come foward with information the WTBS was being humilated by a cock sucker defrauding widows in their organization for over 25 years. If true justice was to be done these Elders would have their families removed form them just like mine and they would be prevented from applying for reinstatement for a period of 24 years. With that knowledge a man who can handle a “sword” Heb.4:12 can do some serious mind fucking!

    Ceaders you have a beautiful oppertunity to write a blog on Lev.5:1 as to its true meaning thus showing that the use of that verse to enforce WTBS control over people by informing on their brothers is apostacy in its truest sence. Once you look at Lev.5:1 with the understanding that the setting is a court room setting where the man doing the cursing is filing a complaint with the City Elders at the City Gate in a legal case and the “witness” is one who has information to back up that mans claims. The purpose of this legal statute is to reguire those who have the attitude that injustice to someone else is not their problem is not tollerated in the eyes of Jehovah. It was ment to protect people like me who are being attacked by the town “wolf pack Acts 20″. The witness was being required to come foward to testify even if he was terrified of “wolves” doing injury to the cursing man. Or even it was going to cost financial diffucility for the “witness” if the cursing man gets justice. You open your eyes and you got a major revelation and blog. Very seldom does there come along such a chance to totally humilate the GB using their own Bible.
    Bill Covert
    Redding Ca.

  41. JBob says:

    @jj and, the war that broke out in heaven?

  42. Dr. C says:

    It proves that even the most important and sacred job ever, wasn’t important enough to be properly checked prior to printing and distribution.

  43. Kelly says:

    Muahahahahahahaha hehe hehe hehe hahahahaha hahaha

    Love it :D I reckon it’ll be hushed up

  44. mamajane says:

    Thank you for exposing this and every single thing about them Cedars! They need to be exposed for their lies and deceptions!!!

  45. LMC says:

    It does prove something….how can Jehovah’s Holy Spirit be with the printing of a new bible and then have even the smallest mistake in it. JWs are constantly told time and time again that their very lives are dependent on their relationship of Jehovah and there ACCURATE knowledge of Jehovah s word. If the bible has even the smallest misprint then it cannot be claimed to be accurate in knowledge! It is very important that the Bible is accurate no matter how slight the misprint!

  46. John Baptist says:

    So What is What I would say. Why the need for semantics now. Seems its hard to take the witness out of the witness mentality all the way when we know they are what they are. Lets not stoop to their level by being just like them. Lets write about some meat and move forward.

  47. Rachel says:

    In response to JJ, I too find it interesting that 1914 is not mentioned in connection with Jesus’ invisible presence and kingship beginning, and that 1914 was “about” the time Satan was hurled down. Mmmmm? I don’t have a copy myself but I hear the new revision has omitted John 8:1-11. If that is correct then I suppose the old NWT is now on the “table of demons” for apostates to nibble at!!

  48. Imacountrygirl says:

    John Baptist, I feel your rebuke, and I understand what you are saying.

    I did not stop moving forward; however, I do have to confess that it brought me a good laugh. I believe that “Laughter is the best medicine”. Please indulge me and let me have my “medicine” with a clear conscience.

  49. Johnny B. Goode says:


    The FDS doctrine flip flops from 1881 to 2013 are a case in point. However, a prophet’s foolishness does not prove his entire message wrong (Jonah).

    The end is coming. But since we don’t know when, people react to that knowledge in different ways. Some people want to preach all the time. Other people want a secular career, home, and family in the meantime.

    In a balanced organization, both types would be welcome. But at WT, preaching zealots dominate, and that’s a flaw they need to overcome.

  50. Iron Stylus says:

    Because having physical literature is still the best way to get the bible’s message across to people. Also, the brothers are utilizing technology as well to get the truth across to people. Whatever the Jehovah’s Witnesses do they will always meet up with some criticism. You criticize them for producing literature while the next apostate criticizes them for using available technology. It’s like Jesus said at Matthew 11:17 “We played the flute for you but you did not dance.”

  51. Silent Majority says:

    there is a new pdf it and you will see that It has been fixed. the web version is also available..

  52. Zeebo says:

    I think the GB bum-rushed the editors into getting it out on time.

  53. 70wksofyrs says:

    Cedars, you are going too fast for me I just can’t keep up with you. So before reading your article and the posts. I want to make a comment about my experience of the error on page 267. Which I cannot erase from my brain now. It has happened.

    As the error is both on and in hard copies I have had some fun with this. I told my elder friend, who is in the uk and has a hard copy. Now that is raising doubts with him. I told him it made me feel sick and how could Jehovah allow this. So that has planted a seed for now.

    I also talked to my df’d friend who is still in, I have already given her a Flock book, kindly passed to me by Angus who sometimes posts here.

    She was shocked, so more seeds planted there. They will both tell others, and so on. This small error could cause many to search for bigger issues. Added to the fact that only the elite are allowed a new bible, this will be a blow for the egotistical 8.

    Sorry Cedars, for just commenting without reading, but I will see what you have to say later when I get a chance.


  54. Mike says:

    Everyone makes mistakes, even the folks who print Bibles. Over the years, these people have made some mind-twisting typographical errors!

    Here are a few errors that have turned up in various editions of the Bible:

    A Bible printed in 1562 contains the following mistake in Mark 5:9 – “Blessed are the placemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” The correct word, of course, is “peace-makers.”

    A Bible printed in 1653 reads: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the Kingdom of God?” The passage, Corinthians 6:9, should read “shall not inherit.”

    A Bible printed in 1862 botched a passage in Revelation, recording the number of the Beast, or Antichrist, as “999″ instead of “666“

    A Bible printed in 1914 listed “Thou shalt kill” as one of the 10 commandments. The correct commandment, of course, is “Thou shalt not kill.”

    Oddly enough, a Bible printed in 1631 blew another commandment, which led to the most famous typo of all: “Thou shalt commit adultery.”

    Coined “The Wicked Bible”, it was meant to be a reprint of the King James Bible. The blunder was so severe, the publishers were punished with a £300 fine and their printer’s license revoked. King Charles I was incensed, and George Abbot, the Archbishop of Canterbury, said:

    “I knew the tyme when great care was had about printing, the Bibles especially, good compositors and the best correctors were gotten being grave and learned men, the paper and the letter rare, and faire every way of the beste, but now the paper is nought, the composers boyes, and the correctors unlearned.”

    Almost all the Wicked Bible’s copies were burned, but eleven survived. One copy is in the collection of the New York Public Library and another in the Bible Museum in Branson, Missouri.

    If you’re really interested, a copy is currently on sale online for $89,500!

    • Iron Stylus says:

      Yes, thank you Mike for sharing this information. I knew of the wicked bible from doing research on it in the past. It seems that the New World Translation’s blunder is extremely insignificant compared to all of the rest of the mistakes made with the actual biblical text. That is what is really important. I’m sure that the text in the NWT was not overlooked as it was giving special care and it’s much easier to locate mistakes when words are involved than a numeric header. Also,I never use the numeric headers like most people, so I doubt the vast majority of JW’s would ever spot it.

      • JBob says:

        Actually, the explanation is simpler than anyone has mentioned here. If you’ve ever read a real Hebrew manuscript–written and bound with original Biblical Hebrew, the books are ordered in reverse from standard NWT or KJV bible, the chapters are also ordered in reverse of left to right thinking–reading left to right, paging right to left. You read right to left, you page left to right. Thus, in a Hebrew manuscript, Numbers 35 would indeed precede Numbers 32.

        If you’ve been pouring over manuscript pages day after day, I imagine your brain would slip, but that’s why multiple eyes are needed to catch some obvious gaffs.

        • Iron Stylus says:

          Yes, that is a possibility and the brothers who originally published the New World Translation took extremely diligent notes on the exact time that each passage was worked on, so the brother who made this mistake knows he made a blunder. Also a 2 and a 5 could’ve simply been mixed up in the typing process. This is the biggest publishing mistake I’ve seen them ever make. I’ve only found one other grammar mistake in a 1991 Yearbook on page 104.

  55. Iron Stylus says:

    You know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. God’s holy spirit doesn’t work in the way that you think it should work, but works in the way that benefits His purpose. So God could’ve allowed the bible to be printed and published quickly so as to reach the masses and it could still have a human error in it, because humans are doing the actual work of publishing it. But the brothers caught the mistake and I believe that only the witnesses themselves will have this “limited edition” bible because there was a letter read last night at the meeting stating that they are still mass producing these bibles to be available to the public.

  56. JBob says:

    @Iron Stylus – yes, Cedars, I’m psychic…

  57. 70wksofyrs says:

    hahahaha!!!! Sorry still haven’t read the article, but just checked pg 267 is correct now.

    Must be the holy spirit???? Wonder if it has changed the hard copies too


  58. 70wksofyrs says:

    The header should instead read “Numbers 32:37-33:22.” This typo is repeated in the PDF version.

    Just checked it now Cedars

    Not anymore, holy spirit must have changed the PDF today hahaha! Will holy spirit change the hard copies too??


    • Cedars says:

      Thanks 70wks, I am aware of Watchtower fixing the PDF. I have edited the article to reflect that when I was writing it the error was still present. Thanks!

  59. Iron Stylus says:

    No that is solid. I’m creating a bible chronology and so far you can’t really make mistakes with pivotal dates. Anybody who takes the time to research the dates will place 607 as the date Jerusalem fell. All of their dates with the kings reigns are absolutely correct as well.

  60. Vincent Deporter says:

    Holy Spirit mishap?

  61. Vincent Deporter says:

    The good thing though, is that there is no one to point a finger at. Added advantage of anonymity.

    Furthermore, nobody can check the credentials and expertise of the translators… also convenient.

  62. Bill Covert says:

    Cedars Did you miss the point of the Lev.5:1 post? The RNWT exposes that the informing on your brother as taught through all these years of Lev.5:1 has been a deception and a Nazi tatic of control. Reread the post on Lev.5:1 very,very careful you are going to find the WTBS has their pants around their ankles! Lev.5:1 true meaning is the Jewish Court is in session, the “public place” is the City Gate, Market Place where the City Elders hold court in the “public place” the “cursing man” is the victim of a injustice, the “witness” is someone with knowledge of the claim being made by the “cursing man”. GO LOOK AT THE RNWT CHANGE!!!! READ THE FOOTNOTE!!! Go back and reread my post!
    This is a MAJOR REVELATION you got the WTBS caught in a major deception!!!!!
    Anyone who is going to be the first one to comprehend REAL NEW LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If nothing else foward my post about Lev.5:1 to JWN [somehow I can't get a pass word]. Cedars you let this slip by you and you will be kicking yourself for a long time.

    • JBob says:

      Bill, this is really nothing new but the twist is that the Watchtower always interpreted this to mean that anyone having eye-witness should squeal on the perpetrator (I’m unaware that the “cursing man” was ever interpreted as the wrongdoer) not rendered as coming to the assistance of the victim but viewed as “keeping the organization clean (and pure)” by tattling (the totalitarian regime control, again) on “wrong doers”. Helping out a “victim” would be considered a side benefit.

      However, this still doesn’t assist molested, raped and abused victims because with a strict interpretatoin there generally is not an additional eye witness beyond the victim.

      Since elders do not possess DNA tests, or interview/confession techniques, which law enforcement is able to wield within the confines of constitutional / parliamentary constraints, the proposed solution is abandoning the sanction that victims and parents not pull in “higher powers”. Again a contradiction since literature urges submission to God, but obedience to governments.

  63. kat says:

    Notice in the new revised that Hosea12:14 has been changed, from “grand masters will repay to him” to…

    His Lord will reapy him.

    interesting grand master (freemason term) to the Lord.

  64. genesis says:

    Cedars, this is just one mistake the whole bible which contains 1797 pages. Everything you say about the Witnesses and its GB is negative. To be fair, you also need to comment on their many good sides.

  65. Imacountrygirl says:


    Have you found anything on this site to be untrue? If so, what is it?

    Which “good sides” are your referring to regarding the Governing Body? Would it be the different elders that I told on three different occasions that myself and my sister had been molested as children by a brother; and, NOTHING was ever done to that pedophile? This was under the direction of the Governing Body.

    Would it be the use by the Governing Body of the 1975 date that stopped me from buying a home of my own or getting a college education because Armageddon was soooooooooo close there wasn’t time to do those things?

    Would it be about the Governing Body breaking up families, my own family included, and friendships because of imperfect man’s judgement of another person? When you hide behind the Governing Body, you aren’t responsible for what you do…you don’t have to answer for ignoring your own grieving family, like my own brother and 3 sisters did to me at our mother’s funeral.

    I could go on and on about the damage the Governing Body does; not only to me, but to every one of Jehovah’s Witnesses by their lies and deceit, which to me is indisputable and inexcusable.

    I don’t think anyone on this site has denied that there are good people among Jehovah’s Witnesses. I remember some very loving, kind, thoughtful, generous people that felt like family.

    I know how hard it must be to hear the truth about the Governing Body brought to your attention. But remember, the truth will set you free. Free from the Governing Body’s grip on your mind and your thinking process.

    After I read Raymond Frantz’s book “Crisis of Conscience”, it took several months to process that information. Now I look back and wonder how I could have been mislead for so long.

    One of the hardest things I ever had to do was admit that most of my life was based on lies. There was so much wasted time. I gave up so much, it felt like a part of me died. Even though it shook my foundation, I chose to hold onto the good that came out of.

    Now I have a life where I am free to live by my own conscience and to live by the values from my parents. I also have a much closer relationship to my Creator than I knew was possible…now that I don’t have to go through the Governing Body.

    This whole article, this whole web site, is not about one mistake. It’s about a pattern of deceit going back decades. It’s about a Governing Body whose attitude is “Do as I say do, not as I do”. It’s about abuse of the trust of innocent people. It’s about a cult environment. It’s about a cover-up of monumental proportion. It’s about the accountability of the Governing Body. It’s about shining a light into a rotten, cancerous darkness.

    It’s also about support from other people who have learned the truth about “the truth”. We have moved on in many different directions, yet we are all bound together by this truth.

    • JBob says:

      @imacountrygirl & @genesis

      I related so much to the first “Matrix” films, and that was because as an active Witness I was always having this feeling that I was not getting the full scoop. And, then, I had my epiphany, it wasn’t about doctrinal correctness, it was about control and influence. Why was my life spiraling into despair, I was doing all the things that lead to a relationship with God and the elusive butterfly of “happiness” yet I didn’t feel whole inside. When I opened my NWT, it seemed like a weird word Jumble with awkward phrases that only fit into the Watchtower’s literature puzzle pieces called thought-stopping sentences and mantras.

      My breakthrough was a “red pill” that arrived in discussion of the “control” and destructive power of authoritarian governments, and my research on the failed prophesies of the Adventists in 1844 and how they rationalized this into a new belief system. I wasn’t aware how closely linked Russell was to that belief system (and they still are) because Watchtower history glossed over and hid this connection.

      I had to understand how I fell under this direct and unquestioning will to obey/control of the Watchtower.

      It clicked when I began to recognize a pattern in the Watchtower itself. Any changes, or assertion of authority, were preceded by months of iteration of ‘we predicted 1914 as the last days’ and ’1914 was a pivotal year’. Over and over, then 2-3 months later, an administrative change, a teaching change, a doctrinal shift, a request to modify behavior, or a request for funds [usually a building fund--that's how they got the Brooklyn buildings that recently sold for Billions]. At the time, I was not aware of the full history that led to this 1914 prediction, but I gathered steam in doing research. I learned that 1914 was predicted by Russell because 1884 and 1874 were failed projections by his mentors and advisors in Adventism, and now I know why 1879 was a starting of the Watchtower not 1874. And, 1914 was primarily supported by pyramidology and a miscalculation that included a zero year putting the destruction of Jerusalem in 606 BC, not 607 BC, thus was it 1914 or 1915 ["about 1914"]? Rolling back, anyhoo, we see that 1914 was derived from a failure in 1874, which came from a failure in 1853, and that from a failure in 1844, and that from a failure of 1799.

      With 1914 out of the way, and 1975 glaring failure, there was little reason to leave the “Governing Body” in control.

      That red pill was really kicking into high gear, and I could begin to see the frailties of various doctrinal arguments based on a single scripture without measuring the contra-verses or the context. Many times a verse had a match to some sentence in literature, but the context didn’t relate to the subject/matter under discussion. Later, I learned that Watchtower research (as visitor from LSU highlights) was flawed as it lacked solid numerical, statistical and referential integrity. Often quotes were from outdated literature–literature that Adventism and Christadelphians formed in the middle 1800′s, or earlier periods–and literature that had long-ago been refuted with new discoveries of archaeology or linguistics. The subterfuge (or ruse) that authors and references were not cited to prevent human idolatry actually covered the tracks of misquoting, twisting phrases and inventing quotes to support statements that lacked solid evidence or theology.

  66. Caminante says:

    The October 2013 printing of the Bible had the error corrected. There is also an updated PDF file on the website, as of October 16.

  67. Bill says:

    what congregation do you go to Cedars, you once said you are as active as your health will allow. Everything you are doing is in opposition to the organization, so why don’t you separate yourself completely from the organization? Also if you are 100% correct in everything you say about the organization why do you hide yourself behind a cartoon like picture? Show who you are especially since you are always posting pictures of the G.B. however you like. It’s funny you disagree with so much of the organization, you do so much research pointing out all the flaws of this organization and making accusations as well. Why haven’t you disassociated your self from this organization. Like I said earlier you wrote to me you were as active as your health would allow!

    • JBob says:

      @Bill – typical thinking. If not black, it’s white. Persons may harbor strong disagreement with the BOrg and yet not disassociate because of two factors. The BOrg’s strong hold over family ties, or they lack a ‘safety net’ once abandoning the organization/business. As I posted earlier, the d/f-ing and disassociating which was inherited from the Adventists and other 1800′s religious groups which used it as a “with us or die” tool of controlling behavior has limited impact on survival mode. However, the BOrg use it effectively to control its members AND those in the immediate impact zone around its members–whether inside & affiliated with the corporation or not. Thus, while Cedars should be free to leave the cause of such pain in his life, it would be leaving his relatives in the clutches of an organization that is proven to show no concern for the welfare of its individual members and only a general glimmer of concern for the collective, and then, only those who assimilate to its beliefs and total control.

      Attacking someone because they choose to hide their identity to protect their family is very vindictive behavior but reflects the style of attack most “loyal JW’s” deploy in defending their belief system’s parent enterprise.

      JW’s today seem docile, but the mounting abuse cases shows its a totalitarian environment which does not have the general welfare of women and children (or the fatherless child) as a top priority. Given its lineage and descent from Adventism which has a history of schisms and splinters which become dangerous sects–Waco, Texas, the Branch Davidians, a schism from the Davidian Adventist schism from 7DA, as example, Cedars is JUSTIFIED in harboring concerns and sheltering his true identity.

  68. Gypsy Sam says:

    Quite well said, JBob.
    Bill, there are many of us that would love to write a disassociation letter and be free to help our JW friends and family learn to think again and study the WT organziation and see how we were lied to over the years. However, since we care about our families we choose not to at this time.
    To pressure youngsters into making a lifelong decision about baptism without making clear the implications about the shunning that will occur, should you ever investigate the religion of your youth, is simply deceitful and controlling of the WT.
    I’m so relieved my teenager was smart enough to see through it all, which in turned helped me start studying the organization from its roots. Now we both know it’s not “the truth”, and based on cherry-picking scriptures the WT uses guilt tactics to keep you in the organization so you’re not free to walk away without major consequences in your family life.
    Also, why does the public site say they don’t shun, when they so clearly do?
    (sorry Cedars, for going off topic)

  69. Bill says:

    why does he need to protect his family? Why would it even go there ? Violence from whom?
    Words ? Are they being protected from being talked about? You guys are repititious about shunning a disfellowshipped one . Read the guidelines in the bible about keeping the congregation clean. If we regularly associate with those who are disfellowshipped we are going against Jehovah himself , so who is oour loyalty suppost to be to Jehovah God or our family members?

    • JBob says:

      It’s actually curious you bring up the scriptures to defend d/f-ing. The one verse mainly used is in reference to an incestuous affair (perhaps pedophiles) where the Organization clearly does not wish to separate from those accused or proven to be pedophiles, molesters and rapists.

      But, getting down to “brass tacks” let’s talk where the tool of shunning is derived and its long lineage with Adventism sects. It was used primarily as a tool to rebuke those individuals who disagreed with a founding “visionary” (or prophet/prophetess). “Said-person is hereby to be considered disfellowshipped from the body of , for their .” Rarely, was d/f used to dismiss for morality clauses unless it was extreme and bizarre conduct.

      But, let’s talk about d/f-ing in the Watchtower, it’s an arbitrary concept that yields inconsistent justice as it derives on a local level and is not centralized as so-called “appointments”. Thus, the seat of elders has an oligarchy in matters affecting any person who wanders into their people trap. If they caution a person against wearing a certain style of shirt, and that person objects with solid reasons whether disability issues or allergic reasons, the elders can dismiss them on grounds they refused to listen and abide by their edicts.

      And, d/f is just one form of total control of your body, emotional state and spiritual state. We can talk about private rebukes, or social rebukes where no formal discipline is issued, but the congregation basically follows the gossip one or more elders’ wives put forward to “avoid this person.” And, yes, elders often start this gossip. And, often the point of a convention is spreading the smear on a person’s character and widening the span of social ostracizing. It doesn’t need any sort of factual basis–it is arbitrary and has no basis in scripture.

      Who is the only one that can judge?

  70. Gypsy Sam says:

    Bill, I’m not disfellowshipped. I simply researched the religion with an open mind last year and discovered misquotes in the literature, a policy that protects a pedofile over an innocent child, flip-flops on blood, birth control and articles mentioning rape and laying the blame on the VICTIM. After my best friend, also a JW, was raped, she was made to feel guilty by the brothers!
    The point most people are making when they comment about being stuck in the religion is that they have done nothing to be disfellowshipped for, yet there is no diginified way to leave the religion and keep your friends and family intact. Of the 40-50 former JW’s I’ve reconnected with this year, not a one is living an immoral lifestyle. They ALL left after they examined the religion and saw it was manmade.
    Protection doesn’t automatically include violence…surely, you can see that. The thought stopping techniques utilized by the WT cause sincere, loving JW’s to become black and white thinkers, which only causes judgemental behavior, something Jesus never displayed and as a faded JW, something I do want to protect my family from.

  71. bill says:

    I didn’t know there were Adventist in the 1st century when Jesus was on earth. the disfellowshipped thing did not originate only in the last couple hundred years it is way before a lot of people time that’s why spoken of in the scriptures. Pedophiles, rapists are everywhere.what people like that do is very disgusting we know Jehovah God Hates it. there is no way you Or JohnCedars knows everything first hand about all the alleged Molestation s or sexual assaults.everything you put here on your site you expect people to believe it is 100 percent correct and that you are the expert on Biblical research and translationanyone that is currently attending meetingsand has a difference of opinion should have the courage to either speak out or leave and not use the excuse that they have loved one still trapped in the organization if you are completely convinced this organization is falseand all the information given is to empower the “governing body”then why doesn’t anybody who opposes the authority these men supposedly have over our lives .if you free ones that have seen the light are absolutely free off the chain that used to bind you to the organization why not leave it at that if you’re truths are true everyone will see the light.I’ve never heard anybody mention the fact that Satan the devil the invisible ruler of this world contribute to a lot of the bad that goes on wherever if not all of the bad nobody blamed him for anything but we sure are picking on the governing body alleging all kinds of things regarding them and the way they run the organizationI think john ,should really think about what is the end game of his website he will continue to post until when and if the governing body should not be leading us ,then who should?

  72. bill says:

    so then what religion is made by God do you have the answer to that?40 or 50 Former witnesses without a dignified way to leave.your way out is to write a letter and disassociate yourself. If jw religion is false and man made what’s the problem?

  73. Gypsy Sam says:

    Surely, you see the problem is that JW’s are instructed to emotionally blackmail/shun/not even email their disfellowshipped family. Disassociation is now treated the same. As I now stepped outside my bubble and see how many friends that are out have parents shunning them and not having any kind of relationship with their own minor grandchildren, I had to start having empathy. Since I have a teen and her grandparents want to be a part of her life and mine, we are in effect, in a situation where free speech is inhibited, due to familial love.
    Where did Jesus ever encourage unkindness?
    Have you ever compared facts about man made religions? Google is your friend.
    I had three bible studies last year, even attending the hall. They were smart people that sincerely wanted to serve the true God. Just like you wouldn’t buy a car without reading all those if reviews, surely you wouldn’t expect people to change their belief system without serious research. I did.
    However, no elder could answer their fair questions about Johannes Greber’s role in the NWT, why WT misquoted scientists etc.
    Be fair. Be logical. Read up on cognitive dissonance, logical fallacies and cherry picking of scriptures. Then, let us know what you think.

  74. genesis says:

    I need an honest answer here particularly from so-called cedars. Which religion is the best in the whole world?

  75. Excelsior, formerly known as George says:

    Bill and genesis, I shall attempt to answer your questions.

    Bill, I am appalled at your lack of empathy, I always thought that Christians were supposed to be loving and supportive? Good job! Here’s a thought. Why don’t you pretend to be disfellowshipped/disassociated for a month and see how you cope with being shunned? Walk in our shoes and then you can blithely suggest we all write letters to the congregation.

    Go on, try it! Try having no contact with your family or friends, try having no support in a world you are ill equiped to survive in.

    Also, as you are such a nice Christian, show me in the bible where your saviour ever shunned anyone? Jesus spoke to everybody. He shunned no one. Is your governing body above the example of Jesus?

    genesis, the best religion in the whole wide world is…….none of them!

  76. bill says:

    SoJesus regularly associated with those who actively stopped serving Jehovah. You show ME the scriptures where Jesus ok’d speaking to ones expelled from the congegation.Please show me. Correct me if I am wrong either you serve Jehovah or you don’t.No other religion preaches about Jehovah’s Kingdom being the solution to mankind’s problems . Narrow is the road, remember?By the way you said walk in our shoes so which is it are you disfellowshipped or did you disassociate yourself?

  77. Imacountrygirl says:

    Genesis, my honest opinion is that no religion is without issues of some kind. I have come to the conclusion that it is not necessary to belong to any religion in order to have a close and personal relationship with our Heavenly Father. I live my life by Jesus’ instructions to do unto others as I would have them do unto me. It has brought me peace and I find it very rewarding to actually make a difference in someone’s life.

    It sounds as though you are conflicted and are searching for answers. I too looked for answers and thought someone else could tell me what to do. I have learned that all of my answers were inside of me the whole time, I just had to be still and listen to what my heart was trying to tell me.

    I sincerely hope that you can figure this out for yourself. The only answer that is right…is the one that feels right to you. Ultimately, we are all individually responsible for what we do and say.

    • Bill says:

      in the bible the road leading off into life narrow and cramped and few are finding it. How is it the one that feels right?

  78. Imacountrygirl says:

    Bill, I am comforted by the account in John 8:1 – 11 (KJV) where the scribes and Pharisees brought a woman to Jesus who was caught in the act of adultery and they wanted to stone her, as per the Law Commandment of Moses. Jesus eventually said to them “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”. When they heard this, they were convicted by their own conscience and all of them walked away, leaving Jesus alone with the adulterer. Jesus asked her “where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more”.

    Jesus did not disfellowship her, nor shun her. If Jesus could not condemn an adulteress caught in the act, who are we to judge anyone else?

  79. Imacountrygirl says:

    Bill, there is a big difference between serving Jehovah….and serving the Governing Body. They are not the same. Either you serve Jehovah or you serve someone/something else, like the Governing Body. I’m not sure of the exact moment it happened, even though I was there the whole time, but the Governing Body put themselves between Jehovah’s Witnesses and Jehovah.

  80. Kwatei says:

    It seems the GB are not sure of 1914 themselves.

  81. Excelsior, formerly known as George says:

    Bill, in reply to your comment.

    Jesus spoke with:

    Satan, who is the biggest hater of Jehovah and the original apostate.

    The Religious leaders of his time, who had abandoned mercy.

    Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

    Need I go on? You have no position from which to argue on, do you?

    I challenge you. Show me a scripture where Jesus refused to speak with anyone. He spoke with tax collectors, sinners, prostitutes etc.

    This narrow road metaphor does not in any way relate to shunning. Your arguments are bogus.

    It is none of your business whether I am disassociated or disfellowshipped. I have no desire to share my personal life with someone like you.

    Also, Jesus couldn’t not speak to someone expelled from the congregation because there were no congregations at that time, as you we’ll know. Another bogus argument.

    You have no ground to stand on. Jesus trumps any apostle or prophet, doesn’t he? I would suggest that you stop trying to convince others of a faith that you so clearly do not understand.

  82. JK says:

    You don’t have to resign from the JW. When you stop reporting for field service and meeting attendance, effectively you’ve resigned.

  83. skally says:

    I’ve been df-ed over 35 years now and never thought that the wt god they called jehovah was ever the real god I knew as a child, before the lethal death machine got my mother to join in the holding of bloody hands, that every jw has, whether they are active or just being a fraud for the sake of whatever excuse they want to put in there.

    George thinks I am one of you though cedars.


  84. JBob says:

    Narrow & cramped is the road leading off to life? Get the quote correct:

    Matt 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”

    Who is the gate? Who is the Way?

    So, if we must go with the numbers game, that would mean, if your group is growing in numbers, it is no longer on a narrow and cramped path?

    However, we know the Wt always applied that scripture exclusively to the anointed–a finite group of 144,000 not the general JW population..

    Not the mentally diseased masses who chomp down the unleavened wafers and gulp down the wine at Memorial time. The GB is probably trimming that verse back to themselves even as we discuss this, now.

  85. JBob says:

    Every denomination that has arisen without direct, evident apostolic succession claims there were believers of their theology in the 1st century. And, there probably were because the records of history show that 1st century Christianity was a hotbed of diverse ideas, including Gnostic Christianity. The wealthiest and more influential cities and families eventually dominated what would become the major standard.

    It’s interesting that you mention the Adventists not existing in the first century because neither were Jehovah’s Witnesses present at that time, yet they’ve inevitably striven to draw a line of succession from themselves through Waldensians back to the first century. And, coincidentally, so do Adventists and so do Christadelphians.

    I will correct that the version of df-ing used by most churches does not involve shunning, exceptions being Amish and Mennonites, and some Latter-Day Saint groups, only removing one from membership. JW’s take it to a medieval, inquisition level of torture by loading remaining family and membership with images of demons attacking should they even make eye contact with former members. In this way, it is linked directly to the form of rebuke used by many of the Adventist Founding Fathers and Mother who used df-ing to ostracize those they found unfavorable or out-of-step with their wishes.

    Many non-JW’s often will tell someone who is conflicted with being JW and disagreeing with the group, “just leave; can’t you find another church?” But, as you also posted, rather ironically, the adherent is reminded constantly, “Where else can you go to hear the ‘sayings of truth’?” With that blasted into the mind, those who are uninformed about other denominations–2nd, 3rd, 4th generation JW’s–would be reluctant and feeling trapped–self-destructive, if not suicidal.

    This same sentiment is echoed by those who remain JW–seeing the group as the sole source of “the Truth”. Often the quote is, “Who HAS the Truth?” Yet, Jesus gave an answer in scripture that does not fit this question. And, in a metaphorical Jeopardy game, the question is, “Who IS the Truth?” The Bible never answers the perverted question, “Who has the Truth”.

  86. Jeffro says:

    The error has been fixed in the new new New World Translation in PDF format on the official website. Apart from fixing the heading in Numbers, there are only two other changes to the text: 1) Number of available languages reported as “120″ instead of “110″. 2) “August 2013 Printing” is changed to “October 2013 Printing”.

  87. Rob says:

    Current literature puts the 1914 calculation based on the 7 Gentile times=2520 years from 607 BCE. The only issue might be the year 607 BCE where there is some dispute by authorities, but certainly not by a wide margin. IIRC I’ve seen some put it 25 years from that. My point, if it is the time of the end, the WT has the message right. Pinning it to a date has never worked out and in fact Jesus said no one would know. But parallel this to world events such a Fukushima close to a full catastrophe, global warming, mass extinction, you can sense these are unprecedented times.

  88. Wilhelm says:

    Quite interesting. I downloaded that specific Bible the day after it was publised on the website and page 267′s header read. ” Numbers 32:37-33:22

  89. Jeffro says:

    If the minor error in the page header of Numbers warrants attention, surely their revision of Jeremiah 29:10 deserves an article. It entirely contradicts their own doctrine.

  90. Wilhelm says:

    Why is everybody so hastily looking for errors in the revised New world Translation? Nobody is saying anything about the revised King James versioon which is the worst most incorrect translation of any Bible into any language. Many people keep using it. is it because you can’t, according to the King James, sin in any way.

  91. Wilhelm says:

    You can’t just stay away from any church and say you resigned. You have to write a letter stating that you resign. Exactly the same with Jehovah’s Witnesses. When stopping to attend meetings or doing field service does not mean that you resigned

  92. Wilhelm says:

    Only those doing exactly what GOD’s word tells them to do.

  93. steve read says:

    As a former JW, I wonder how before they realise that the error is not the bible translation but doctrines? Long being deceived that scripture show the Great Crowd was on earth. When all the time scripture showed they are in heaven. Revelation 7:15 shows the great crowd ‘they’ rendering sacred service day and night “IN” THE TEMPLE. Not towards or before but IN. Which is in heaven. So they must be in heaven!!

  94. Wilhelm says:

    Very interesting to see how you use you words. According to your use of specific words, it show me that you weren’t really one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. If you really are somebody that want the Bible to rule your life, then you will never follow people as you did. You don’t follow Witnesses or the Governing Body. You study their guidelines together with your Bible and you then follow GOD’s Word

  95. steve read says:

    Are you replying to my comment?
    I WAS a JW for 2 decades.
    And it is the societies use of words that are wrong!

  96. Windsurfer says:


  97. D says:

    They are human and we all make mistakes. Remember we are imperfect.

  98. Bright Flaxen Wick says:

    I am a JW in good standing who is very much aware of what is going on and still cannot figure out what to do. I agree with Peter at John 6:68. Where else can I go where I would not be forced to believe the pagan Greek-inspired hellfire, immortal soul, and all good people go to heaven doctrines?

    I have a lot of issues with this version of the NWT, however, and am very appalled that it appears to have been, at the least, dumbed-down. All of the beautiful prose and poetry have been castrated, and, as Hakizimana Jean de Dieu points out above, the strength of the original phraseology has been greatly watered down.

    My biggest concern is that, formerly, the WTS translated every occurrence of “nephesh” and “psyche” as “soul,” making it clear that a soul is the person him/herself. The latest edition has chosen to interpret many of the occurrences differently, confusing the issue, just as Christendom had done in previous times. Ezekiel 18:20 has been left intact–for now–but it seems like a step in the wrong direction to vary from the consistent translations of those two very important terms.

    This is to be expected, I guess, now that there are very few anointed brothers within Bethel. Not that the old anointed ones were worth much; I have a feeling that either they were mistaken about their spiritual calling, lying about it, or that they lost it as they compromised with Satan’s elements on the inside and outside of the organization. “Many are called; few are chosen” (Matt. 22:14), which explains why the number of anointed is rising, much to the FDS’ chagrin: Jehovah is still calling faithful ones to replace the corrupt ones who lost their crown.

    I suppose I have just answered my own question. If Jehovah is still calling anointed ones from within the ranks of JWs, despite the fuming response from Bethel toward these newly anointed ones, then it seems clear that Jehovah is still using the organization…for the time being. This makes perfect sense, since the pattern was set with how He handled ancient Israel. They strayed and were corrupted for most of their history, yet Jehovah did not reject them completely until they killed Christ. Which may mean that the FDS class will turn on the newly–and truly–anointed ones in the same manner in which the Pharisees turned on Christ, one of their own, out of jealousy and a fear of losing their power from Satan’s political entities. That, too, should be expected, since Jesus warned that his brothers, the anointed, would be persecuted in the same manner he was (John 15:20). So, the reaction from Bethel toward the newly anointed ones (many of whom must partake in secret, as the venom is very apparent and is a real threat from the elders all the way to the top, I would imagine) may very well be the key to when to leave the Society and head for the hills (Matt. 24:15, 16). Let the reader use discernment. :-)

    • Cedars says:

      Welcome to our website! I commend your genuine search for truth. You sound like a decent guy.

      All I would say in response to your last paragraph, is that you are not the only one trapped in a “purgatory” of sorts where the belief is held that the organization has clearly gone astray but must still have a place in God’s plan. Please think about this carefully and follow things through to their logical conclusion, however painful that may be. Could not this argument be applied to ANY Christian denomination, the catholic church included? If religions are to be so easily let off the hook when they err, what makes any one of them unique?

      Here is a video I recorded recently addressing a similar question…

      I would also urge you to read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz, which you will find available for download on this link…

      I know how scary it is to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, but I promise you – it’s worth it.

      I wish you well on your journey.


  99. Jason says:

    I was looking for info about the revised edition, but you people are just bitter. Get a life people. Stop being so bitter, can’t you see the truth when you see it. Leave those people alone, at least they live by principles!

  100. two or five says:

    So basically what you’re saying is that the only mistake is instead of a 2 they put a 5?! WOW! What terrible people!

  101. SDL says:

    Beautiful. Thanks, mark. I will be looking into this one. Significant bias if it holds true.

  102. SDL says:

    I thought Bright Flaxen Wick was female for some reason. Sorry if mistaken. Doesn’t matter. Want to add that to me the thing about Peter saying to whom shall I go didn’t mean which autocracy of men shall I go to but more along the vein of not leaving Jesus. What about considering that “getting out of her” may include the JWs book-publishing company and trusting that the way will be shown you. Live into the unknowns rather than requiring a modern-day crutch. Jesus himself left the religion of his youth and replaced it with a law of love. How about imitating that rather than replacing it with a new set of rules off a printing press bowed down to like an idol by men worshipped like idols. It’s scary, I know, but so worth it.

  103. SDL says:

    mark, I called a friend that has the new silver bible and confirmed that what you said is true about those scriptures in Genesis and Exodus. Thanks for that. I find it interesting. To me it says a lot about how their bias sways their translation even when it’s completely unnecessary. It says a lot to me. I hope others pick up on it too.

  104. SDL says:

    @ whatevs – lol, that was funny

  105. SDL says:

    mark, thanks again. I called a friend that has the new silver sword translation and confirmed that those scripts in Genesis and Exodus are contradictory as you said. It says a lot to me about how their priorities and biases impact their translation completely unnecessarily. Hard to picture a God giving them spirit allowing a basic contradiction like that. If they can’t get that much right then how can the deeper things be trusted. I hope others pick up on glaring errors like that too and see the significance and waste no more time procrastinating life we are given for some idealistic rhetoric we are promised by mere men who treat their bible like an alcoholic treats his bottle. Too many are just so desperate or greedy for more life than is naturally granted to a human, so they fall prey to false prophets promising eternal life. If only they would see how completely fulfilling life can be without all the mythological rhetoric.

  106. Keith Gonzales says:

    The problem is that if the foundation is bad then everthing that follows will be a lie .
    Think of a house on a faulty foundation .
    That is why Jesus said to build on the solid rock of divine revelation aka his word and not the sinking sand of human speculation : Mat 7:24 .
    Jude commands us to contend earnestly for the faith once given to the saints .
    Just as Jesus Christ offered that sacrifice once and only once in the same way God gave us the faith once and only once via the Apostles which they wrote and now appear as the New Testament , the Doctrine of Christ .
    2 John 7 tells us that if we abide not in this doctrine we do not have God .
    2 Tim 4 speaks of men not enduring sound doctrine .
    It is being fulfilled even as we speak .

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